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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg50453#msg50453
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2010, 11:32:52 pm »
Hi Xinef

Sorry, its getting late so i didnt click the quote button

I updated my post above, turtle shield is very useful
In fact, if you time your sundial and turtle shield, it "doubles" your healing of SoG

Pharoh is reli much better, coz of all the time tower, its so much easier to play a pharoh direct then a mummy > pharoah (but 2nd thought it wont be that bad)

I reli think 2PA is ok still, probably because I trimed your deck down,, I always hold onto my towers to make sure his quicksand only destorys 1 tower if i dont draw PA early

I am sure FG target hourglass first (or at least since v1.20)

And in case you wonder, the strat with holding the scrab in hand and playing all at once are amazing, especially your hand can have 8 slots hehe

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg50543#msg50543
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 01:24:20 am »
Wait you have a single Elite Mummy is a 55 card rainbow that focuses on a pharaoh? thats not very smart.

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg50703#msg50703
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2010, 09:27:33 am »
Ok... stunning all enemy creatures at once has it's advantages, but with permafrost I can wait until most of them are frozen and it's the same... but also blocks 2 damage from each.
I prefer fog shield and permafrost because they offer protection against weapons and against creatures the turn they are played (good against gods using PU), so you should never be hit with 'over 9000' damage at once...

I guess with this amount of time towers and quantum pillars it's equally easy to pay for pharaoh as it is to pay for mummy, but the obvious advantage of pharaoh is that you do not have to waste a rewind... so mummy being last card in the deck is a huge problem, but with pharaoh it is not, as you only need to bump something once. Basically if you have a pharaoh, use it, if you don't don't worry, it's not that much of a difference. Also with a pharaoh you can add plague or a bonewall.

Also, I really recommend at least 2 eternities, it's really important against growing creatures, buffed creatures, momentum... and it slows FG down so much, the earlier you start the better... especially because if you start it early enough FG will still have little pillars, so halving his rate of drawing additional pillars while making him pay for some expensive creature each turn really drains his quantum. I especially like rewinding a mark-payed creature like Elidnis's spectre, so she gets as much :life as she pays each turn, so she cannot play :life cards and they clutter her hand, so when she has 7 cards in her hand she draws only a single card each turn, which I rewind, so it's a complete deadlock... it's also possible with some other gods.
And, when I'm going for an early eternity, I also want an early PA just in case. I guess both 2 an 3 are reasonable options, but I still prefer 3. It's not a card that clutters your hand.

I also love the strategy with rewinding scarabs to your hand, especially against those nasty Maxwells, fire shields, eagle eyes... but against otys it's just too much waiting :P


@wisemage
Mine deck has 48 cards, yaladilae's even less, and I usually start playing creatures when I have about 8 cards left in deck, sometimes even later, so it's not a problem. It's a stall deck with a late-game combo if you did not notice. Also though it fits the definition of rainbow, using cards from more than three elements, I would not call it a rainbow, but rather a half-time/half-rainbow.


Hmm... I tried to join some of your suggestions and it seems to work better...
Two mummies, two bonds and two fog shields... also momentum dropped, because now with one more pharaoh I quint the first one, let FG waste offensive spells on the first few sacarbs, then I can play the second one unquinted and rewind him when playing against fire bucklers... luckily thorn carapaces and turtle shields are 'not very common amongst FG' and permafrosts are less harmful when playing two pharaohs.

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And I just had two of the strangest FG battles I ever fought... one was against Scorpio, when he managed to poison me only for 3 points before I beat him (no chrysoaras and I managed to play permafrost before he played a single puffer xD... he only played a single squid and a few ulitharids)... and the second battle was against Octane when I played an early quinted butterflied gravy... and then I played an unquinted pharaoh... and he managed to kill all my scarabs while I was bumping the pharaoh to keep him alive... and the second mummy somehow happened to be the last card... so I had to bump pharaoh until I decked him out xD
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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg50819#msg50819
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2010, 05:22:01 pm »
After checking your reply, I still think most of my changes, especially time shield are better, because of the fact that its 100%
But having said that, some games permafrost is better then turtle (evenI have low luck on freezing stuff)

Using Pharoh will speed up things slightly, I also tried improved plague and bone wall,not the best to be honest...

The mummy is still good, like I said, phroah is just very slightly faster (OK and makes the deck in deck builder looks better!!) But its definitely not necessary

I am gonna try run it with 2 eternity, I totally agree every single thing you said about eternity, and thus I believe it is very useful to have 2 too

Will test this and see how it comes out

By the way, go to my thread, and u can get a quick refrence on what the FG use as controls =) so u dont have to worry abt PA too much

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg50869#msg50869
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2010, 07:53:28 pm »
Well, the only thing I can ask.. Tarja or Annette?
So long and thanks for all the fish!

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51116#msg51116
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2010, 11:05:36 am »
I mostly listen to songs by Tarja, and my favorite ones are "Stargazers", "Moondance" and "Sleeping Sun"


By the way, a perfect example of card-lock* on Elidnis :)
Look at the amount of cards in her deck, she starts with 112, so as you can see she was only able to play 12... sorry, not really play, because 7 of these cards are still sitting in her hand :P
In the meantime I was able to play all my permanents and dig through my whole deck :P
I almost feel sorry for her.
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* You do it by rewinding a false god's creature each turn, while he has 7 cards in his hand he cannot play (congeals, heals, PU, puffer fish?), so that he draws only a single card each turn... the card you rewind.
You have to stop when you start bumping your scarabs, but it's already too late for the FG ;P
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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51394#msg51394
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 10:51:03 pm »
Which is the easiest way to get shards i see people with like 4 or 5 and i have NONE

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51396#msg51396
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2010, 10:52:37 pm »
The T50. Go to chat or this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,562.580.html) and request a Shard farm.

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51398#msg51398
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2010, 10:52:55 pm »
Which is the easiest way to get shards i see people with like 4 or 5 and i have NONE
t50!!!!

EDIT: ninjaed

P.S I added 2nd eternity in mine

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51425#msg51425
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2010, 11:37:59 pm »
Which is the easiest way to get shards i see people with like 4 or 5 and i have NONE
t50!!!!

EDIT: ninjaed

P.S I added 2nd eternity in mine
i heard that u can tell them to put all shard or all rare weapons how do u do that

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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51435#msg51435
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 12:10:17 am »
@Mrd3ath
The T50. Go to chat or this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,562.580.html) and request a Shard farm.
Though even without asking you can usually win a lot of shards from rainbows which are very common amongst top50. I won 5 shards in a few hours of grinding with a firebolter deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,668.msg52931#msg52931).






@yaladilae
By the way, go to my thread, and u can get a quick refrence on what the FG use as controls =) so u dont have to worry abt PA too much
Right now I have enough experience with the false gods to remember what control they have, but I don't see how does it make me worry less about PA... eg. recently I lost against Rainbow, because I protected an early hourglass instead of protecting a bond... so he eventually deflagged/stole all my hourglasses, bonds and SoGs... and his shriekers and those spirits I couldn't yet eat eventually killed me even through permafrost... generally any false god with more than 6 permanent destruction spells is a problem with less than 3 PA, especially if he has miracles so that he has more time to kill me with this decreased healing (eg. Divine Glory, Rainbow).
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Though I don't know if I would win that fight against Rainbow if I didn't protect that hourglass, because he would probably deflag or steal it then...
Rainbow seems the hardest after Obliterator I guess... but I find it's hard to lose against Divine Glory... recently I win pretty much every game against her, and I even won 2 Morning Glories in a row... heh... I would sell them to upgrade my deck further, but so far I avoid selling rares...
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Re: Pharaoh sails to Orion (time/rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4958.msg51447#msg51447
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 12:53:42 am »
But i've done like 12 T50 and i only got some cards and 2 rare weapons but I NEED shards!

 

anything
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