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Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521132#msg521132
« on: July 12, 2012, 05:51:49 pm »
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This would work fully upgraded sans Novas.

It's essentially a Neurotoxin deck that takes advantage of AIs urge to play what it can.  Aside from that, you're stocking up so that you can EM with Miracle and Nightmare.  Until then, just try to stay alive, which isn't that hard when you start clogging the opponent's hand with Ray of Lights.

I've found that one of the bigger problems is that you're going to kill the AI with Nightmare before you can heal enough to EM.

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521261#msg521261
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 12:18:10 am »
I think I've seen something somewhat close to this...... Lemme think...
Looks good though. How often do you actually get an EM with the whole miracle thing?

EDIT: Uhh... found this::: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11921.0.html
Not really the same but similar-ish. I thought I saw something super recently... Maybe not
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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521262#msg521262
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 12:21:28 am »
Looks good though. How often do you actually get an EM with the whole miracle thing?
Miracle brings you to 99hp, nightmare the opponent to gain 2hp.

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521266#msg521266
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 12:33:44 am »
Looks good though. How often do you actually get an EM with the whole miracle thing?
Miracle brings you to 99hp, nightmare the opponent to gain 2hp.
I know, how often though, before the game is over and you win.

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521268#msg521268
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 12:42:44 am »
No idea. There's 1 miracle in 35 cards, so you need to have that and a nightmare in your hand as well as 15 :light and 2 :darkness. It all depends on whether or not you draw that miracle before your opponent dies. Drake, any stats? Also, what's the point of the fallen druid?

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521270#msg521270
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 12:46:22 am »
No idea. There's 1 miracle in 35 cards, so you need to have that and a nightmare in your hand as well as 15 :light and 2 :darkness. It all depends on whether or not you draw that miracle before your opponent dies. Drake, any stats? Also, what's the point of the fallen druid?

fallen druid will make use of RoLs as mutation fodder for mid-late game critters/ utility creatures

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521272#msg521272
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 12:48:29 am »
I was wondering if the whole miracle thing was worth it since you have 35 cards, one miracle, 2 HGs, 4 Nightmares..

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521297#msg521297
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 02:17:24 am »
It's just mad drawing until you can get Miracle out.   Also, consider you actually have a low damage output even with Neuro, meaning you are very likely to draw Miracle before you win.  This is further assisted by quicker drawing via Hourglasses and that excess Nightmares will heal you.

If you can, feel free to exchange a Nova or a RoL for another Miracle if you want to increase the draw chance.

Regarding stats, Xeno's simulator is not reliable as AI will not Nightmare RoL.

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521328#msg521328
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 04:15:08 am »
Since the Simulator is not reliable, I ran my own tests against AI3, but smaller, since I'm rather lazy..

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Matches: 50
Win %: 85%
TTW: 10.35
EM%: 35%

I'll get around to AI4...

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521329#msg521329
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 04:19:40 am »
Those look like some pretty good stats so far.
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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521332#msg521332
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 04:20:37 am »
Since the Simulator is not reliable, I ran my own tests against AI3, but smaller, since I'm rather lazy..

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Matches: 50
Win %: 85%
TTW: 10.35
EM%: 35%

I'll get around to AI4...
Well it's certainly not a very good farming deck (especially being fully upped). Win rate isn't over 90% and the TTW is nearly twice as long as some other decks. EM rate isn't that high either. What's the fun value?

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Re: Nightmarish EM [AI Killer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41980.msg521333#msg521333
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 04:27:06 am »
Several EMs were lost due to draining too much HP with Nightmare.

If you have any ideas on making faster, I'm open to it.  But this was never meant to be an efficient deck.  Just putting it out here.

 

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