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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59532#msg59532
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 07:25:21 pm »
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I made 6 FG deck, 1 has been regarded close to prefect
Yeah sure...

a) this should move to humour, 90% win rate on mono aether is just too funny, and please stop confusing the new players
No one ever said Mono Aether had 90% win rate. All ntz said is that mono aether has 90% win rate against god's without permanent control which limits the god by a lot.

While I still don't believe that this deck is good I can't stand people making comments without even reading the thread.


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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59564#msg59564
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 08:18:52 pm »
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I made 6 FG deck, 1 has been regarded close to prefect
Yeah sure...

a) this should move to humour, 90% win rate on mono aether is just too funny, and please stop confusing the new players
No one ever said Mono Aether had 90% win rate. All ntz said is that mono aether has 90% win rate against god's without permanent control which limits the god by a lot.

While I still don't believe that this deck is good I can't stand people making comments without even reading the thread.
Ok, ferox, if you dont draw shield, 5 emerald dragon eats you up alive

Paradox, TU 18/18 light, if you dont draw shield, same result
Eldnios, wtf, a few forest spec, now you have no shield, good luck

Even incarnate, a field of 4|3 skeleton 4x23 is 92 damage,

Mono aether does not have 100% chance of drawing 6 shield
30 card deck, 6 shield shields you 18 turns, you do the maths,

90%, hahahaha humour

Yea, I made 6 FG deck, you want to see it, search around the forum
If not, just shut up and go home and cry, sorry my dear

Regarded close to prefect > prehaps a little over the top, but go to chatroom, anytime of the day, experience player will tell you my butterfly angel is a solid deck, so as puppy's FG rainbow, and of coz SG's time FG

The first thing i see this post, i reli feel sad, for someone who barely just join the forum to use the word "crap" against SG's deck, then lying about win rate

If you have never play FG in live, try
I have 6 FG deck, 4 live account testing  4 different FG deck =P

seriously, think again~

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59582#msg59582
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 09:12:02 pm »
Yaladilae, just because you believe ntz's deck is bad (to which I agree), he or she is inexperienced on the forums and has insulted a good deck, and is not providing good statistics to back their deck (most likely due to inexperience), it does not give you any right to act haughty and lord your experience and history of good/reputable decks over him/her. Nor does it give you (or anyone else) any right to take ntz out of context.

aether mono gives you very good chance (80-90%) against FGs, which don't molest a permanents.
I'm not too experienced in elements myself, but I do believe aether mono would give you a good chance against FG's that don't bother your permanents (hold phase dragons until you can kill miracle, can kill FQ, destiny, paradox, ferox...). Perhaps not 80-90 if it decks out as xdude said, but that's certainly not a claim deserving of such an insult as "please classify this in the humor category/deck help, not deck-building." This is a deck, its meant to tackle false gods, it may not be as good as others/yours but ntz has every right to post it and defend it. And what gives you the right to determine whether or not a deck should go into deck help? Every deck posted here, and many which are inefficient or have low win rates, could use help/insight and do receive help/insight in this forum, including your own.

I'm not saying your points are not valid (most of them are), nor am I condoning ntz's inexperienced arrogance to condemn SG's deck (a deck which I used and still respect),  but the way you present your arguments and yourself is rude and bullying. Yes, you have made good decks/have live account testing/have different FG decks and yes you can probably kick my ass in PvP, but that experience does not give you the right to be so condescending.

Regarding your deck, ntz, you do need stats to back up a claim that a tried and true deck is "crap" compared to yours. Also, not having fully upped cards is disadvantageous unless you purposely kept them unupped (in which case I highly suggest upping the quantum towers or testing the deck with upped quantum towers because the extra quantum is huge). The Eclipse doesn't seem like the best idea (you're mutating skellies anyways, and too often you're helping the enemy more than you help yourself)

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59620#msg59620
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 10:43:28 pm »
Yaladilae, just because you believe ntz's deck is bad (to which I agree), he or she is inexperienced on the forums and has insulted a good deck, and is not providing good statistics to back their deck (most likely due to inexperience), it does not give you any right to act haughty and lord your experience and history of good/reputable decks over him/her. Nor does it give you (or anyone else) any right to take ntz out of context.

aether mono gives you very good chance (80-90%) against FGs, which don't molest a permanents.
I'm not too experienced in elements myself, but I do believe aether mono would give you a good chance against FG's that don't bother your permanents (hold phase dragons until you can kill miracle, can kill FQ, destiny, paradox, ferox...). Perhaps not 80-90 if it decks out as xdude said, but that's certainly not a claim deserving of such an insult as "please classify this in the humor category/deck help, not deck-building." This is a deck, its meant to tackle false gods, it may not be as good as others/yours but ntz has every right to post it and defend it. And what gives you the right to determine whether or not a deck should go into deck help? Every deck posted here, and many which are inefficient or have low win rates, could use help/insight and do receive help/insight in this forum, including your own.

I'm not saying your points are not valid (most of them are), nor am I condoning ntz's inexperienced arrogance to condemn SG's deck (a deck which I used and still respect),  but the way you present your arguments and yourself is rude and bullying. Yes, you have made good decks/have live account testing/have different FG decks and yes you can probably kick my ass in PvP, but that experience does not give you the right to be so condescending.
First, let me clear myself
I am not acting haughty or anything

A person can be inexperience, but can a person come in with a tone acting offensive to another person and posting something that has no backed evidence and then lying about it?

If he came in with a postive tone, I would not sound like that

Besides I was not mostly pointing to him, for there is some other guy who just responded "Yea, right" when I try to make a solid statement over something thats true

No one ever wants to take him out of context, nor does anyone ever wanted to, and now you have suggesteed it...

I am not saying anything in offense when i suggest this goes to deck help. This deck clearly needs a) alot of work on b) cannot claim such a high precentage
If he post a deck here to generate postive discussion, no problem, I will give you a feedback nicely, like I do with the rest of the community

But posting something and the opening sentense is XXXX's deck crap, here is mine. Does that open any postive discussion point or even an attitude in which I can do anything but feel disgusted about?

Seriously, think again, look around, how many people did I help in this community and apologise if i was ever rude and feel i own them an apology? If he came in saying I have put together this this deck, i think its very good FG, prehaps even claiming a high win rate, then I would NEVER be rude like that

Last point, I probably cant kick your ass at pvp, I am not experienced in that. And for someone like me, if i suck, i own up. And i wont go posting decks and say, this is the best pvp deck, much better then XXXX's, his deck is crap.

Now if you read that far and still think i SUCK, its ok. I just want to ask you 1 thing
In the aether thread, he claims (claimed) he makes around 20k a day with that deck, but then his deck is mostly un-upped? That seems to be a little fishy, not just the figure, but the way he spent the electum.

Once again, i just want to say, if you are inexperience, no problem, I am too and i accept this. If you are lying and abusing others, I gave no tolerance. If you still want to call me a bully go ahead? I am ashamed... of you :(

On a side note, if you want a more detail feedback explaining why mono aether is not as good, I can say more, but Icy might be the best person to ask.

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59678#msg59678
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 01:08:29 am »
This is not (and will not become) a "whose deck is best" thread. Any further flaming in this thread will result in the entire topic being locked.

Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59751#msg59751
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 06:53:04 am »
I'm curious about the order you upped your cards in.  Are most of them just from spins?  My biggest issue is that you've got that upped Graveyard but unupped Bone Walls.  I mean, what you're doing is increasing your total  :death quanta required from potentially 15 (5 for upped BW, 7 for unupped, and 3 for unupped graveyard) to 19 (7+7+5).  I purposely run unupped graveyard in my Timebow, just wondering if you decided to upgrade those cards or if it was just from spins. 

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59779#msg59779
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 09:28:54 am »
well, i agree that this is not about "whose deck iz da best .." but i am really convinced, that 30 cards aether mono or this my deck runs much more better than scaredgirl's one as is presented here :: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

if you build base ather mono deck containing only **not upgraded cards :
14x ae pillar
6x dimensional shield
6x immortal
4x phase dragon

you will have much bigger overall chance to win then with another rainbow deck !! .. you'll make faster money, you'll beat slightly more FG bastards and against several FGs you have almost 90% chance to win if you will play smart knowing how dumb AI thinks ..

as i've written already above, you can enlarge this 30cards base with additional 10 cards aiming to permanents (stealing, preventing, healing, destroying) ..

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5649.0.html

everyone could try .. it's a big mistake to attempt beating a FGs with few upgraded cards and with rainbow decks !!

ps. i don't understand to some local stars here .. i've registered in this forum **only because i wanted to pass to others my own experience with fighting against FG .. i play **only against FGs .. i've made at least ~ 1500 fights .. i'm bloody completely sure with my statements ..

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59781#msg59781
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2010, 09:42:53 am »
ps. i reread more carefully a despicable handbag fight in this thread .. it definitely seems like some local forum stars are touched in theirs manhood .. so stop be ashamed, stop acting like intolerant nazi ..

i could/can/would/will say my opinions and pass my experiences .. although on internet is not a big democracy ..

@yaladilae :: i agree, that if someone always do and always did something wrong and adopts it as *only-right-way, he cannot change his mind so easily, but anyway, he shouldn't forgot that ::

Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer

.. sorry ;)

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59885#msg59885
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2010, 01:59:24 pm »
It is a shame that this thread has so much negativity in it and is not focusing on the actual deck in any constructive or helpful way.  NTZ, next time try not insulting anybody in your subject line and I guarantee you will have a much more focused discussion on your deck.  Manofmanyspoons just told you or anybody else reading this how to greatly improve your deck.  Unfortunately it may be missed because of all the other garbage in this thread, and even that is only if people even bother to read past the subject line.  My suggestions for your deck/thread are as follows:
SG's deck(at least the one I know about) is a fully un-upped deck, so I would post your deck idea with no upgrades so that a newbie could copy it very quickly and use it successfully.  If it does not work well un-upped then post it fully upped in the way you think it would run the best.
You have 60 cards but only 4 hourglasses.  Do you find yourself drawing too slow at the beginning by not getting an hourglass in your opening hand?  I know you have 6 sundials to help, but how often do you run into the problem of a slow beginning draw?  On the same subject, how quickly do you draw when you can as you have no eternity?
You have no weapon, why is that?
I would consider dropping your graveyard to un-upped as mentioned by spoons and getting rid of the eclipse as well.  You have 2 elite FFQs to spam creatures as well as the pharaohs so the graveyard would be best suited to make skeletons for your fallen druid to mutate.  Doing this frees up quanta and opens a space for a weapon or butterfly effect for more perm control.
I like the graveyard, pharaohs and the FFQ for spamming and the druid can be used to mutate any of them depending on the situation so I would also add another fallen druid to increase the chances of having mutations earlier.  If that is not a part of the strategy, then I would get rid of the FD completely.
How long on average does it take you to defeat a FG, in real time?
Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

   

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59938#msg59938
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2010, 04:23:01 pm »
heya ufcfan ..

i am not using weapon, true that, but this is because i have no space in my deck to put one there .. i'll reconsider it ..

i tested recently a lot of rainbow decks against FGs .. this is why i've established this threat .. i played a lot of games with two colors deck against FGs and i am pretty sure, that making money (at least with few upgraded cards) by using rainbow deck against FGs is a big mistake !! .. i just want to say this, because a newbies are confused what to use ..

much more faster (in meaning of farming coins) is to have ae-mono with some additional cards like i pointed out in second thread i've established ..

i have nothing more to say, if a guys here want still repeat their *truth*, lets do it !!

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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg59941#msg59941
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2010, 04:40:32 pm »
heya ufcfan ..

i am not using weapon, true that, but this is because i have no space in my deck to put one there .. i'll reconsider it ..

i tested recently a lot of rainbow decks against FGs .. this is why i've established this threat .. i played a lot of games with two colors deck against FGs and i am pretty sure, that making money (at least with few upgraded cards) by using rainbow deck against FGs is a big mistake !! .. i just want to say this, because a newbies are confused what to use ..

much more faster (in meaning of farming coins) is to have ae-mono with some additional cards like i pointed out in second thread i've established ..

i have nothing more to say, if a guys here want still repeat their *truth*, lets do it !!
I wouldn't be so sure. I could bet you 5 bucks that I could make money faster with a rainbow with 5-10 upped cards than you could with a fully upped Aether mono.
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Re: my the best rainbow deck .. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5797.msg60012#msg60012
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 07:38:31 pm »
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer
I consider a scaredgirls as crap compared to mine
"You are like what is said that the frying-pan said to the kettle, 'Avant, black-browes'." - Cervantes
Or put more simply...
Pot: you're black!!
Kettle: no! you're black!!

The hostility in the thread probably would have been kept to a minimum if you had just left that comment out. Often the adage "if you have nothing nice to say it's best to say nothing at all" works best.

With that said i do commend you for putting up your deck to try to help others out. Although certain opinions of yours (especially mono-aether) are in the minority they are like you said... your opinions. The only problem with unupped mono-aether is not that it might be better then scared-girls(which i personally don't agree with mainly because people have tried using mono-aether on kongregate to get the kill 1 FG badge and it failed miserably for them), is that the money spent on the aether deck is better off spent building your rainbow to make a better FG farmer.

Aether is such a slow deck to play especially unupped i don't see how you can win more then 5-10% against FG's. Maybe i'm wrong but if you're going to post that it's better then a rainbow with 5-6 upped cards you certainly should bring some statistics with you.

Now don't take this the wrong way. You've stated that you have played over 1500 FG games which certainly is a respectable amount of FG games. Do you mind if i get a rough estimate of what your score is and total games played? I only ask this because it would give me a decent range of your FG percentage. I like you primarily played FG's, (until lately that is just because i'm T50 farming so i can make my T50 farm better) and since you've been volunteering information i'm just curious.  :) Also i think it would give you some legitimacy to your claims.

And i don't disagree with your statement that using a rainbow with a few upgrades is a mistake. I wouldn't want to farm FG's with 3-4 upgrades or even 5-6 with this current version. I just don't think unupped mono-aether is the solution. I do think Essence has a nice duo-deck FG farmer for newbies that looks like it works (unfortunately you need 2 titans).

 

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