Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic]

[whatifidogetcaught?]

You can stick in a Liquid Shadow in the Slim version, so it's possible to EM several FGs. In case it clogs your hand, you can always discard it/use it on a random creature and go for a simple victory too!

That requires a 9 card combo. You can only have 8 cards in hand.

[Pacowlas]

You can stick in a Liquid Shadow in the Slim version, so it's possible to EM several FGs. In case it clogs your hand, you can always discard it/use it on a random creature and go for a simple victory too!

That requires a 9 card combo. You can only have 8 cards in hand.

With the slim version, you basicaly end the game close to a deck out, and many times you complete the combo drawing the last card of your deck, because you have to gather the mana to cast it (getting air quanta seems to be impossible sometimes).
So, lets say. You end your actual turn. You have 7 of the combo cards in your hand - one of them must be the dragon -, you have the mana to cast the combo, 4 remaining cards to draw, and have 3 glasses on. (This seems a bit complicated but its a pretty common scenario, as the milking FGs for this deck are the ones with no PC.) Your turn, you draw one card, 3 remaining; then you simply play the dragon and cast either of the momentum/elixir/liquid shadow on him, to make space to draw more cards. You draw the remaining 3 ones with the glasses to get the last one of the combo, and there you have, 4 dragon-vampires. 

[whatifidogetcaught?]

I understand what you are getting at, but that could be a little dangerous. It is capable though.

[Chapuz]

You can stick in a Liquid Shadow in the Slim version, so it's possible to EM several FGs. In case it clogs your hand, you can always discard it/use it on a random creature and go for a simple victory too!

That requires a 9 card combo. You can only have 8 cards in hand.

With the slim version, you basicaly end the game close to a deck out, and many times you complete the combo drawing the last card of your deck, because you have to gather the mana to cast it (getting air quanta seems to be impossible sometimes).
So, lets say. You end your actual turn. You have 7 of the combo cards in your hand - one of them must be the dragon -, you have the mana to cast the combo, 4 remaining cards to draw, and have 3 glasses on. (This seems a bit complicated but its a pretty common scenario, as the milking FGs for this deck are the ones with no PC.) Your turn, you draw one card, 3 remaining; then you simply play the dragon and cast either of the momentum/elixir/liquid shadow on him, to make space to draw more cards. You draw the remaining 3 ones with the glasses to get the last one of the combo, and there you have, 4 dragon-vampires. 

With the slim version, you simply have to start the shield chain as soon as you can. That said, you have ~18 stalling turns if you draw the right amount of cards.

As for the LS, it would provide a 100% EM rate but remember that the electrum gained from the FGs comes basically from the upgraded cards. Matter of taste, I guess. and not for the fat version.

[geminipain]

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I've played with Chapuz's deck (limitless speed one) several times and I like the deck idea. I've modified it in order to obtain some changes and now I really love it. I see now you are considering Sundials so it's possible this version will be no help you but I want to share it (maybe it will help).
- more speed: six hourglasses, not five. If the FG wants to shut down your speed he has to control more and has less rounds to do so.
- more  quanta (4 towers + 3 pendulums). Hourglasses are useless if you don't have the fuel to play them plus the quanta needed every turn to make them work. With such speed you will often stop yourself simply because you are running too fast and maybe you need more turns to obtain  / quanta or even  quanta in some cases. It's better to be slow in the end when you have a lot of stuffs then in the beginning when you aren't protected and have poor healing.
-  quanta balanced: 7 pendulums are usually enough.
- 7 quantum towers in this 45 card deck usually give me what I need.
- healing is balanced: 24 hp/turn is usually enough for every FG this deck can beat. Not 6 sanctuaries but 5 + 2 purify: less  quanta to use and the ability to survive against bad luck versus 3 FG with heavy poison. The goal is not to get full life but only to survive so you don't really need more then 2 purifies.
- I want deck max size to be 45 and no more simply because I want to evade as much as I can bad draws and give this deck a very consistent speed. I know, 30 card is better for bad draws but considering all... I find this setup to be good.

These are my feelings...

[Chapuz]

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I've played with Chapuz's deck (limitless speed one) several times and I like the deck idea. I've modified it in order to obtain some changes and now I really love it. I see now you are considering Sundials so it's possible this version will be no help you but I want to share it (maybe it will help).
- more speed: six hourglasses, not five. If the FG wants to shut down your speed he has to control more and has less rounds to do so.
- more  quanta (4 towers + 3 pendulums). Hourglasses are useless if you don't have the fuel to play them plus the quanta needed every turn to make them work. With such speed you will often stop yourself simply because you are running too fast and maybe you need more turns to obtain  / quanta or even  quanta in some cases. It's better to be slow in the end when you have a lot of stuffs then in the beginning when you aren't protected and have poor healing.
-  quanta balanced: 7 pendulums are usually enough.
- 7 quantum towers in this 45 card deck usually give me what I need.
- healing is balanced: 24 hp/turn is usually enough for every FG this deck can beat. Not 6 sanctuaries but 5 + 2 purify: less  quanta to use and the ability to survive against bad luck versus 3 FG with heavy poison. The goal is not to get full life but only to survive so you don't really need more then 2 purifies.
- I want deck max size to be 45 and no more simply because I want to evade as much as I can bad draws and give this deck a very consistent speed. I know, 30 card is better for bad draws but considering all... I find this setup to be good.

Woah, what a great 1st post in the forums!
I like it! Gonna do some tests later today. It seems more reliable against high PC FGs, just hope I don't get my hand clogged so often, and to get enough  quanta. A good thing is that FGs stealing the sanctuaries don't bother at all 

[pocator]

i've been using it for plat (1.30) and it made me rich (i don't know exactly how many cards been upped thanks to this deck)!

i made slight modificatons, cause i don't like playing without sanctuaries, but i don't have so many upped sanctuaries

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[Chapuz]

i've been using it for plat (1.30) and it made me rich (i don't know exactly how many cards been upped thanks to this deck)!
i made slight modificatons, cause i don't like playing without sanctuaries, but i don't have so many upped sanctuaries

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Why electrocutors? The only reason a lobo is needed is for air nymph/akebono, and it isn't seen so often.

[Poker Alho]

i've been using it for plat (1.30) and it made me rich (i don't know exactly how many cards been upped thanks to this deck)!

i made slight modificatons, cause i don't like playing without sanctuaries, but i don't have so many upped sanctuaries

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that is some strange way to balance out quanta... also, i dont think you have enough QTs to get all the quanta for the combo, 7 in field is enough but for the deck to draw 7 early...

[bobknows]

Maybe toss in an eternity?
It already has rols to rewind and by the time you would need it you will probably have loboed eebertthing you need.
Note that you would be rewinding at ~ 10-15 cards left to get quanta, not with 1-2 cards left.

Also, he is using it in plat, not for fgs so momentum and pc would be much more common.

[Poker Alho]

Maybe toss in an eternity?
It already has rols to rewind and by the time you would need it you will probably have loboed eebertthing you need.
Note that you would be rewinding at ~ 10-15 cards left to get quanta, not with 1-2 cards left.

Also, he is using it in plat, not for fgs so momentum and pc would be much more common.

that probably wouldnt work because you are also relying on your shields to not die and you dont have infinite shields... 7 QT isnt enough, you also need them early and mid-game to get more quanta early on and to decrease the chances of getting your hand clogged with combo cards or permanents you still cant play

[DigitalHero07]

Good news to everyone!!! In the 1.30 update now AI preferes to destroy Sundials before Hourglasses and Dimentional Shields! That means there is a possibility of having a higher win rate adding 6 sundials to the deck, as baits for hourglasses and shields! Due a pair of exams I have next week, I will be able to start making stats next friday, so any help is welcome.

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EDIT: testing version 2: fatty version, -5 SoG, +6 Sundials. Any help with stats is appreciated.

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Why the sundials aren't upgraded?