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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1016727#msg1016727
« Reply #192 on: November 20, 2012, 03:47:57 pm »
Do you guys think this deck can be modified to be consistant against gold/plat arenas? How would you go about it?

I've been playing this deck against gold a bit, and it does well.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1025617#msg1025617
« Reply #193 on: December 25, 2012, 08:35:38 pm »
You might want to update the original post with the sundial and sanctuary modifications seeing as they're currently much better.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1025672#msg1025672
« Reply #194 on: December 26, 2012, 12:58:21 am »
You might want to update the original post with the sundial and sanctuary modifications seeing as they're currently much better.
When I tried  with upped Sundials, sometimes I didn't get any pillars in my hand because of them.
Unupped Sundials worked nice with me, but I didn't feel them necessary. I may leave it as personal adds.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1025677#msg1025677
« Reply #195 on: December 26, 2012, 01:37:17 am »
You might want to update the original post with the sundial and sanctuary modifications seeing as they're currently much better.
When I tried  with upped Sundials, sometimes I didn't get any pillars in my hand because of them.
Unupped Sundials worked nice with me, but I didn't feel them necessary. I may leave it as personal adds.

Oh absolutely, I liked the unupped sundials much more. I'm saying change the deck lists in the first post to what you've found to be best. That way new players will immediately see those lists :)

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1031427#msg1031427
« Reply #196 on: January 12, 2013, 11:52:44 pm »
This version has been posted in the chat by Symphony_X saying it works nice. I will try it if I get some time.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1031446#msg1031446
« Reply #197 on: January 13, 2013, 01:40:44 am »
This version has been posted in the chat by Symphony_X saying it works nice. I will try it if I get some time.

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fully upped it works wonders :), it roughly makes the ttw drop by 2 turns compared to the original version

btw changed a dim shield for another quantum tower, dont think it needs 6 shields

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1032522#msg1032522
« Reply #198 on: January 16, 2013, 01:30:35 am »
This version has been posted in the chat by Symphony_X saying it works nice. I will try it if I get some time.

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fully upped it works wonders :), it roughly makes the ttw drop by 2 turns compared to the original version

btw changed a dim shield for another quantum tower, dont think it needs 6 shields
I tried it and I love it with the upped  :time pends. Posting it in the OP.

6 shields are good yo ensure one as soon as you can play it. In mid game, discarding a pair of shields isn't a problem at all
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033605#msg1033605
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I started farming FG using the slim unupped version and evolved it to the above version after trying all the others.
Thank Chapux for such an effective deck and I would like to share some experience in using it.

This version aims for a better win/lose ratio to fight against more FGs rather than EM and keeping a small deck size means fewer bad hands and faster game play.

- Two Sundials are there to bait for steal and destroy and they are a better choice over Shard of Gratitude.

- Five HourGlasseses to ensure you can have one on the field in the early game.
It also ensures that you will always have one to two HGs functioning well from mid to late game after being destroyed and stolen.
(Don't hesitate to use your Phase Shield as an early bait against FGs with lots of Permanent Control and against Eternal Phoenix, Graviton, Hecate, Octane)

- Two Santuaries as their primary usage is to help you stall through the early game and as a counter card against FG with quanta control: Dark Matter, Decay, Dream Catcher.
(3 or more Santuaries are not necessary since they compete for your light quanta and you will most likely discard it)

- Two Purifies to greatly increase the W/L ratio agianst Hecate, Morte, Scorpio, Serket. Very often I found having one timely purify is not enough to secure the win if you got poisoned early.
Use them wisely: Play the first one when you got 1x poison counters and the second one to secure the win or EM.
(4 HP Recovery during the enemy turn along with 8 HPR by Santuaries during your turn will be enough to gain EM in most cases)

- An Electrocutor to make it possible to fight against momentum deck and deck with Shard of Focus: Akebono, Dark Matter, Gemini, Graviton, Obliterator, Osiris
It's also a lifesaver to remove butterfly effect from Dream Catcher and poison effect from Physalia creature.
Moreover an early Electrocutor can often reduce the FG hp down to or below 152 so that you only need a 7 or fewer cards combo to finish it off.
Adding a second Electrocutor to the deck is also recommended since it might almost double the win rate against the FGs (most of them are hard gods) mentioned above but every single card added will reduce the win rate against others.

- Play your First Phase Shield as late as possible (Aim for 28 or fewer remaining cards in your deck)
An exception is that you should place your Shield before your hp went down below half when you are fighting aginst FGs with spells like Fire Lance or Siphon Life.

- Having your First HourGlass on the field as soon as possible. If you have more than one Phase Shield (Your hand plus your field), wait for 4 time quanta to play the second HG or keep drawing card until you have one Phase Shield on your hand.

- Bait
Start baiting in turn 3 or 4 onward.
Don't bait in the successive turn if possible during the early game (the permanent card was stolen/destroyed in the previous turn). Bait one turn after that to let FG draw the card to steal/destroy your next bait.

- Myth (8-card combo)
You don't always need 8 cards in your hand to finish the FG off in one turn.
If you reduced the FG HP to 152 or below (by Electrocutor or Twin Universe on one of the FG creature in the previous turn), you can finish it off with 7 cards or less
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152 damage: (One less Rage Elixir) (12 Light Dragon + 6 Rage Elixir + 1 Unstop) * 4 * 2
150 damage: (One less TU) 25 damage dragon * 3 * 2
144 damage: (One less Unstop and Rage Elixir) (12 Light Dragon + 6 Rage Elixir) * 4 * 2
You can play the Light Dragon on the field to free up your hand and make some damage against FGs with no/limited Creature Control:
Divine Glory, Ferox, Gemini*, Incarnate*, Miracle*, Paradox*, Serket
(*conditional - detail in the next section)

EM is gained after calculation by knowing how many cards you can draw, play and hold, how many damage you will deliver as well as how many hp will be recovered over the next few turns.

- False Gods (List of Easy to Recommend Skip Gods)
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Easy:
Destiny - Electrocutor will help to remove annoying ability spawned from Fate Egg
Elidnis
Ferox
Fire Queen
Incarnate - You can make a two-turn attack combo if you don't have enough Sky quanta for Sky Blitz
Lionheart
Miracle - this FG has miracle for healing, don't make too much damage if you are not going to make a One Turn Kill
Neptune
Paradox - Don't play Unstoppable on your light dragon if you want EM and not going to kill it in one turn, it has Twin Universe.

Normal:
Decay
Divine Glory
Hecate
Morte
Scorpio
Serket

Hard:
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Dream Catcher - If Butterfly Effect was played before you have an Electrocutor on the field, it's time to surrender.
Eternal Phoenix - All you need to do is bait, lots of bait
Gemini - It has Twin Universe like Paradox. A timely electrocutor will make it your game.
Graviton
Hermes - Lots of bait
Obliterator - If this FG played an early Pulverizer, it's time to surrender.
Octane
Osiris
Seism

Recommend Skip:
(The win rate is not zero but is extremely difficult to win)
Akebono - Even you have an early Electrocutor, Chimera will wreck you
Jezebel
Rainbow

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Here are the decks of the actual False Gods

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033654#msg1033654
« Reply #200 on: January 19, 2013, 01:12:09 pm »
Updated fatty version. SoG healing 3 HP and costing  :life quanta was NOT reliable  :P
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033772#msg1033772
« Reply #201 on: January 19, 2013, 10:53:48 pm »
OTK decks all blow cause there is way too many PC out in the arena and gods

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033774#msg1033774
« Reply #202 on: January 19, 2013, 10:57:59 pm »
OTK decks all blow cause there is way too many PC out in the arena and gods
non-skipping more than half of the FGs is not bad at all, specially if you start the deck with 3-6 upps and no rare cards at all
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033778#msg1033778
« Reply #203 on: January 19, 2013, 11:07:12 pm »
True, but I hate decks that are based whether the opponent has PC or not.

 

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