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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177648#msg1177648
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2015, 05:06:17 am »
not to mention the three time towers could mess you up a bit too! Deck really needs 20 quantum pillars, thanks for confirming Puff.
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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177678#msg1177678
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2015, 08:40:52 am »
In a 60 card deck for draw chances I prefer 20 towers, where the deck only has 16 I highly reccomend you unupgrade the sundials ian.

Um, why though? Unupped sundial cost 1 :time and upped costs nothing.
BUT there are more chances of starting with Sundials and no pillars in hand. Zero-cost based mulligan, you know
...which is exactly the same regardless if they're upped or not. In fact, assuming that you start with dials and no pillars, having them upped can keep you alive against a good rush.
With as much quanta as he has, the chance of sundials screwing the mull is pretty low, isn't it?

Like I said, in a 60 card deck I honestly prefer 20 quantum pillars. Ian only has 16.
And kirby, mulligan is effected by 0 cost cards. Sundial unupped is 1 :time. Therefore is does NOT effect the mulligan. Sundial upped costs no quantum. Therefore it DOES effect mulligan. If X does not effect N, and Y effects N, Y>X in terms of effecting N. AKA upped sundial effects mulligan more than unupped sundial.

Alright, someone explain to me what is zero cost mulligan.

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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177680#msg1177680
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2015, 09:08:18 am »
If your initial hand has no zero-cost cards, you are automatically given a new hand, once per game. Sundial, being 0 cost upgraded, prevents the mulligan - so you're more likely to wind up with Dials and no pillars. Thus, most players prefer unupped Dials in rainbows.
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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177682#msg1177682
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2015, 10:49:03 am »
I found 16 QP enough in my games.

I also removed SoSe/Mindgate, because I needed place for other cards, like sundial.

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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177685#msg1177685
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2015, 11:21:42 am »
I found 16 QP enough in my games.

I also removed SoSe/Mindgate, because I needed place for other cards, like sundial.
I just tried it now, 16 QP seems to be enough, but I'm running unupped sundials. Admittedly I didn't try it much with upped sundials because it's so hard to take stats on this deck, but I've had one start with only dials which may or may not be fixed by using unupped dials.

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Re: bripod's 500hp EM Deck mod https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53192.msg1177775#msg1177775
« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2015, 03:20:28 am »
Nice to see that people are still experimenting with this concept.

 

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