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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407740#msg407740
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2011, 10:58:10 pm »
Both are 8-card combos.
1.29 cons: SoR can screw air and gravity quanta.
1.29 pros: It's a damn cool combo!
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407753#msg407753
« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2011, 11:11:04 pm »
Both are 8-card combos.
1.29 cons: SoR can screw air and gravity quanta.
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but it doesnt need to be an8 card combo, the damage without chimera overpowers anything except dim shield and haxx shields
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407762#msg407762
« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2011, 11:35:58 pm »
Both are 8-card combos.
1.29 cons: SoR can screw air and gravity quanta.
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but it doesnt need to be an8 card combo, the damage without chimera overpowers anything except dim shield and haxx shields
absolutely true.

I like the Silurian Dragon version of this deck a lot.  But I noticed a few things while playing it.

1) I have way too many phase shields in my hand all the time.  Probably 60-70% of the time I just chain another phase shield to empty my hand out.

2) Being so fat, I got a lot of draws where I ended up with no towers, or too many towers.

So I tried to slim it up, and I removed a couple phase shields, and a couple hourglasses, since they aren't as necessary in a much thinner deck.  I pulled a couple towers out, and this deck works awesome and fast.  I think it is slightly more vulnerable to permanent control due to the smaller number of permanents, but getting the combo out is oh so much faster.

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Really? with only 2 hourglasses and 4 shields toy have a good rate? 6 shields are because you need them ASAP. I will test it tomorrow and post results
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407789#msg407789
« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2011, 12:30:36 am »
Yeah, I was a little bit scared at first too.

But it turns out with 30 cards, 4 shield is just about right.  With a 25% slimmer deck, 33% less shields isn't so drastic.  And at the thicker size I had too many shields.

I've been grinding the same gods with this 30 card version as the fat 40 and 47 card version previously posted.  It's success rate seems pretty similar, and the games go much faster.

I think the original version with all of the extra healing had more EM's, but that's about it.

I tend to prefer slimmer decks anyway, and if testing proves this to not be quite right, we can mess around with the ratios, but I think the one I posted is pretty close.

I was most worried about not getting enough air quanta for sky blitz, but I haven't had a problem yet.   I may add an air pendulum or tower in the future for such things.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407807#msg407807
« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2011, 01:05:56 am »
Yeah, I was a little bit scared at first too.

But it turns out with 30 cards, 4 shield is just about right.  With a 25% slimmer deck, 33% less shields isn't so drastic.  And at the thicker size I had too many shields.

I've been grinding the same gods with this 30 card version as the fat 40 and 47 card version previously posted.  It's success rate seems pretty similar, and the games go much faster.

I think the original version with all of the extra healing had more EM's, but that's about it.

I tend to prefer slimmer decks anyway, and if testing proves this to not be quite right, we can mess around with the ratios, but I think the one I posted is pretty close.

I was most worried about not getting enough air quanta for sky blitz, but I haven't had a problem yet.   I may add an air pendulum or tower in the future for such things.
I actually like your 4 shield version better as well now that i have tried it. I will say that because the deck is smaller I had to add more QT's to consistently get out the Skyblitz and an extra hourlgass
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407817#msg407817
« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2011, 01:34:20 am »
Yeah, I was a little bit scared at first too.

But it turns out with 30 cards, 4 shield is just about right.  With a 25% slimmer deck, 33% less shields isn't so drastic.  And at the thicker size I had too many shields.

I've been grinding the same gods with this 30 card version as the fat 40 and 47 card version previously posted.  It's success rate seems pretty similar, and the games go much faster.

I think the original version with all of the extra healing had more EM's, but that's about it.

I tend to prefer slimmer decks anyway, and if testing proves this to not be quite right, we can mess around with the ratios, but I think the one I posted is pretty close.

I was most worried about not getting enough air quanta for sky blitz, but I haven't had a problem yet.   I may add an air pendulum or tower in the future for such things.
I actually like your 4 shield version better as well now that i have tried it. I will say that because the deck is smaller I had to add more QT's to consistently get out the Skyblitz and an extra hourlgass
Shield stuff might be right, but... 2 hourglasses? I haven't tested it yet, but... 2 hourglasses?
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407832#msg407832
« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2011, 02:08:57 am »
Yeah, I just added a 3rd. It seemed like a no-brainer.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407834#msg407834
« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2011, 02:12:18 am »
I took out the 4 SoG of Sevs' 40-card version. Essence, i really don't know how you won 2 Gold rounds, i coulnd'n make a single one. There is so much PC and BH... I'm starting to think original fatty's better because the massive healing and PC fodders. Will try and tell tomorrow how it is.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407843#msg407843
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2011, 02:33:55 am »
I'll say this as humbly as I can: a lot of it was skill. There were at least four out of the eight games when I held onto an Hourglass when I could have cast it because I suspected the enemy had a Steal or Explosion and I figured I'd really need that one extra turn of Phase Shield.  I did get lucky in that I only ran into one BH deck, and I was able to get an Hourglass down and just draw enough Towers to overcome the quanta drain. :)
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407875#msg407875
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2011, 03:50:33 am »
I'll say this as humbly as I can: a lot of it was skill. There were at least four out of the eight games when I held onto an Hourglass when I could have cast it because I suspected the enemy had a Steal or Explosion and I figured I'd really need that one extra turn of Phase Shield.  I did get lucky in that I only ran into one BH deck, and I was able to get an Hourglass down and just draw enough Towers to overcome the quanta drain. :)
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407881#msg407881
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2011, 03:59:41 am »
Are you kidding?  I put the Hourglasses down early to draw PC away from the Shields. :p
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg407889#msg407889
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2011, 04:10:12 am »
Since I don't have the upped dragon, I modified the OP for an unupped version. (Act as if I'm not using upped cards so it will seem completely unupped)
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