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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg403995#msg403995
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2011, 12:15:37 pm »
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404010#msg404010
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2011, 12:47:52 pm »
Wants.FGei for this deck.
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It would be too much work for the time i actually have while studying engineering. I wish prople make some stats to then merge them with mine, as i could have really good luck with some FG and bad luck with others. By the moment, you know:
a) The slim version is the fastest one and has the best win rate against non PC FGs (and the worst against the others). I will do more tests with 1 or 2 extra hourglasses.
b) The fatty version is quite slower, as it has much more cards. On the other side, actual fatty version stats in the OP are absolutely awsome.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404027#msg404027
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2011, 01:49:56 pm »
wow, this deck is really awesome. I'm running a cheaper version with sundials instead of shards (since I only have one). Sold most of my cards to  play this and currently have upgraded:

The minimum combo cards (two rage elixirs and light dragon)
All the electrum hourglasses
Two quantum towers (had already upgraded them for a speedbow)
And a shard of gratitude (the only i have)

So my question is, what should I upgrade next? What should be the upgrade order from now on? I've heard the the upgraded sundials mess with the mulligan, what is that?
Thanks for a really cool deck for grinding.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404029#msg404029
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2011, 01:59:02 pm »
wow, this deck is really awesome. I'm running a cheaper version with sundials instead of shards (since I only have one). Sold most of my cards to  play this and currently have upgraded:

The minimum combo cards (two rage elixirs and light dragon)
All the electrum hourglasses
Two quantum towers (had already upgraded them for a speedbow)
And a shard of gratitude (the only i have)

So my question is, what should I upgrade next? What should be the upgrade order from now on? I've heard the the upgraded sundials mess with the mulligan, what is that?
Thanks for a really cool deck for grinding.
If you are running aiming to the upgraded fatty version (which I recommend), my recommended upgade list would be:

- Light Dragon, both Rage Elixirs and 3 Hourglasses (as the unupped version).
- Remaining hourglasses
- Shards and Time pendulums
- Light pendulums and Sanctuaries
- Shields
- Twin Universes
- Towers and Sky Blitz
- Unstoppable is not worth upgrading at all, as it's merely impossible to get less than 2 gravity quanta with so many towers.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404031#msg404031
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 02:04:46 pm »
I wouldn't have though about upgrading the pendulums first, but you are right, time quanta is usually super scarce the first turns.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404039#msg404039
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2011, 02:09:45 pm »
I wouldn't have though about upgrading the pendulums first, but you are right, time quanta is usually super scarce the first turns.
And it's crucial to have the time quanta as soon as you can, so you can play FAST the 1st hourglass (what starts the game).
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404169#msg404169
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2011, 07:10:42 pm »
Here is my version :

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I think this version is more stable and quicker.

More time pendulums allows to put electrum hourglasses and phase shields early in the game.
I added an additionnal light pendulum to provide enough light quanta for sanctuaries and light dragon.
8 quanta tower are enough for the rest of quanta needed.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg404210#msg404210
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 08:34:30 pm »
Here is my version :

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I think this version is more stable and quicker.

More time pendulums allows to put electrum hourglasses and phase shields early in the game.
I added an additionnal light pendulum to provide enough light quanta for sanctuaries and light dragon.
8 quanta tower are enough for the rest of quanta needed.
I like it, a lot! I was waiting for people to make cool mods!

I will taste it after making some stats of the unupped version.

EDIT:
After 20 games in the trainer, i confirmed it's faster than the other one. Also, i have never had any trouble with getting the air and fire quanta till the end of the game. Sometimes, and only sometimes, i have some early light problems and have to discard 1 or 2 sancts, but as it almost never happens... Official change made!
-4 Quantum Towers
+3 Time Pendulums
+1 Light Pendulum

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg405445#msg405445
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2011, 07:02:59 pm »
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg405887#msg405887
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2011, 04:30:21 pm »
ATENTION: 1.29 SoG nerf is insignificant:

As you know, SoG now heals 3 damage instead of 5. This deck doesn't change at all because it's still a nice card that uses ANY element, so it can be used early having only light and time pendulums. The only in-game change is that you may start the shield chain a bit earlier sometimes. Adding 1 or 2 Purify is still a personal desition as it only helps against:
Serket- a lot if don't have a nice starting hand.
Scorpio- a lot. 2 early phisalias are an autoquit.
Morte- almost nothing, your healing is much more than his poison.
Elidnis- Only helps to EM, as you start the shield chain generally when you have some poison counters.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg405928#msg405928
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2011, 06:32:44 pm »
Okay, with the 1.29 update, I created a version which can make more than 200 damages in 1 turn !

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Okay, the only changes in the deck are seven of the eight cards of the combo.
4 Shard of Readiness
1 Chimera
1 Mitosis
1 Sky Blitz (no change)
1 Silurian Dragon

How to play the combo (You will see, it's very funny^^) :
Step 1 : Put the Silurian Dragon into play and the mitosis on it. Total amount of damages = 13
Step 2 : Put a shard of readiness on the Silurian Dragon and play its ability 2 times to get 2 additional dragons.  Total amount of damages = 13 + 2*13 = 39
Step 3 : Repeat "Step 2" 3 times again. Don't forget you must play the shards on the mitosified dragon. Total amount of damages = 39 + 6*13 = 117
Step 4 : Play Sky Blitz for double damages. Total amount of damages = 117*2 = 234
Step 5 : Play the chimera to pass through shields. This step is not necessary if you have no shield to pass through.

In conclusion, you can play the combo with only 7 cards if the opponent have no shield in play, or if that shield doesn't generate a damage reduction which exess 34.

I think this deck could have improvements in these ways :
The light quanta is less exploited : maybe add a sanctiary...
Same thing for the aether quanta : add mindgates...

Have fun ;)

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg405938#msg405938
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2011, 06:57:06 pm »
Okay, with the 1.29 update, I created a version which can make more than 200 damages in 1 turn !

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Okay, the only changes in the deck are seven of the eight cards of the combo.
4 Shard of Readiness
1 Chimera
1 Mitosis
1 Sky Blitz (no change)
1 Silurian Dragon

How to play the combo (You will see, it's very funny^^) :
Step 1 : Put the Silurian Dragon into play and the mitosis on it. Total amount of damages = 13
Step 2 : Put a shard of readiness on the Silurian Dragon and play its ability 2 times to get 2 additional dragons.  Total amount of damages = 13 + 2*13 = 39
Step 3 : Repeat "Step 2" 3 times again. Don't forget you must play the shards on the mitosified dragon. Total amount of damages = 39 + 6*13 = 117
Step 4 : Play Sky Blitz for double damages. Total amount of damages = 117*2 = 234
Step 5 : Play the chimera to pass through shields. This step is not necessary if you have no shield to pass through.

In conclusion, you can play the combo with only 7 cards if the opponent have no shield in play, or if that shield doesn't generate a damage reduction which exess 34.

I think this deck could have improvements in these ways :
The light quanta is less exploited : maybe add a sanctiary...
Same thing for the aether quanta : add mindgates...

Have fun ;)
YES, YES, YES! I will work on it now!

It's a OHKO, so Chimera isn't needed (dragons only blocked by gravity shield and no FG has one). Sooo it's a 7 card combo!!! Quanta issues in progress. Wanting to see if there can be made a slim verion of it! Mindgates are useless, as you want to make the OHKO ASAP.

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