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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1033780#msg1033780
« Reply #204 on: January 19, 2013, 11:12:51 pm »
True, but I hate decks that are based whether the opponent has PC or not.
Matter of taste. Luckly, every deck has weaknesses. Even the 6-ups version has the win rate of the RoL-Hope or even higher.
Pick the deck you like, with its pros and cons, but don't say "all that decks are sh*t" because it's just not true and you are not making any constructive criticism.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034148#msg1034148
« Reply #205 on: January 21, 2013, 01:30:19 pm »
I can't beat a single FG with this deck.  Tried over the last few days and my stats are 0-16.  The deck is ultra-fragile, if you lose any permanents you're either toast (no shield) or don't have the mana to pull off the combo or can't draw fast enough.  If you CAN get to the end, it seems a lot harder to keep the cards in my hand than Instosis.  There were many games which seemed like I might pull it off only to have all the cards in my hand and unable to draw.

I dunno, I'm not a fan of these massive hands decks.  No room to move.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034149#msg1034149
« Reply #206 on: January 21, 2013, 01:33:43 pm »
I can't beat a single FG with this deck.  Tried over the last few days and my stats are 0-16.  The deck is ultra-fragile, if you lose any permanents you're either toast (no shield) or don't have the mana to pull off the combo or can't draw fast enough.  If you CAN get to the end, it seems a lot harder to keep the cards in my hand than Instosis.  There were many games which seemed like I might pull it off only to have all the cards in my hand and unable to draw.

I dunno, I'm not a fan of these massive hands decks.  No room to move.
1- do you have the upped combo cards at least?
2- did you read the winnable FGs? All the hard PC FGs are skips and you should have no problems at all against the rest, except Akebono and maybe Gemini and Serket.
3- don't draw like a mad cow after you have a shield up and not too many cards in the deck. You will need time to get the quanta
4- tried the Slim version or the Symphony_X's one?
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034189#msg1034189
« Reply #207 on: January 21, 2013, 05:54:59 pm »
maybe add liquid shadow for EMs?
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034194#msg1034194
« Reply #208 on: January 21, 2013, 06:24:37 pm »
maybe add liquid shadow for EMs?
That would be a 9-card combo. Don't worry about EMs, the electrum gain in FGs in won mainly because of the cards, as they are sold for arround 1200  :electrum each
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034258#msg1034258
« Reply #209 on: January 21, 2013, 08:45:19 pm »
I can't beat a single FG with this deck.  Tried over the last few days and my stats are 0-16.  The deck is ultra-fragile, if you lose any permanents you're either toast (no shield) or don't have the mana to pull off the combo or can't draw fast enough.  If you CAN get to the end, it seems a lot harder to keep the cards in my hand than Instosis.  There were many games which seemed like I might pull it off only to have all the cards in my hand and unable to draw.

I dunno, I'm not a fan of these massive hands decks.  No room to move.
1- do you have the upped combo cards at least?
2- did you read the winnable FGs? All the hard PC FGs are skips and you should have no problems at all against the rest, except Akebono and maybe Gemini and Serket.
3- don't draw like a mad cow after you have a shield up and not too many cards in the deck. You will need time to get the quanta
4- tried the Slim version or the Symphony_X's one?

1: Yeah, all upped cards.
2: I didn't understand the winnable FGs section - there seem to be two sections of strategies for specific gods.  The first section talks about "healing" so it must refer to the Sanctuary version.  I did start skipping unwinnable FGs and won a few games.  Just seemed I guess bad luck that I kept getting unwinnable FGs randomly.
3: Yeah, I have started to slow down on the draw.  Good call.
4: I tried the fatty version and it seemed to go relatively well.  I'm going to try the Symphony_X version now.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034260#msg1034260
« Reply #210 on: January 21, 2013, 08:52:43 pm »
What's with the Electrocutor in the fatty version?  I can't think of a card that would help against except for a few nymphs or a Physalia.   I mean, if we were interested in keeping our creatures on the field and not being lobotomized, or worried about a Lava Destroyer growing, I could see packing a Electrocutor.  But in this deck?

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1034307#msg1034307
« Reply #211 on: January 21, 2013, 11:27:53 pm »
What's with the Electrocutor in the fatty version?  I can't think of a card that would help against except for a few nymphs or a Physalia.   I mean, if we were interested in keeping our creatures on the field and not being lobotomized, or worried about a Lava Destroyer growing, I could see packing a Electrocutor.  But in this deck?
Some people play the fatty version with Electrocutor and a pair of Purifies to counter some FGs if they get them early, like Serket, Scorpio, Morte and Gemini. I personally prefere the slim version because it's faster and faster games = more cards = more  :electrum. I use to get also a shield before I get many poison counters against Serket, making it a totally winnable FG. Matter of taste, I guess.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1036385#msg1036385
« Reply #212 on: January 28, 2013, 07:58:22 pm »
What's with the Electrocutor in the fatty version?  I can't think of a card that would help against except for a few nymphs or a Physalia.   I mean, if we were interested in keeping our creatures on the field and not being lobotomized, or worried about a Lava Destroyer growing, I could see packing a Electrocutor.  But in this deck?

You forgot about momentum -- several FGs use momentumed creatures that can hit through your dim-shield, but lobotomizer can remove that ability too.
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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1040906#msg1040906
« Reply #213 on: February 11, 2013, 03:25:03 am »
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I started farming FG using the slim unupped version and evolved it to the above version after trying all the others.
Thank Chapux for such an effective deck and I would like to share some experience in using it.

This version aims for a better win/lose ratio to fight against more FGs rather than EM and keeping a small deck size means fewer bad hands and faster game play.

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- Two Santuaries as their primary usage is to help you stall through the early game and as a counter card against FG with quanta control: Dark Matter, Decay, Dream Catcher.
(3 or more Santuaries are not necessary since they compete for your light quanta and you will most likely discard it)

- Two Purifies to greatly increase the W/L ratio agianst Hecate, Morte, Scorpio, Serket. Very often I found having one timely purify is not enough to secure the win if you got poisoned early.
Use them wisely: Play the first one when you got 1x poison counters and the second one to secure the win or EM.
(4 HP Recovery during the enemy turn along with 8 HPR by Santuaries during your turn will be enough to gain EM in most cases)

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Feel free to have a try and comment.

Thank you a lot, 123For0. Your deck works great for me. One of my problem was the light quanta: I usually didn't have enough light quanta, so I died early. Using your version (with Purify x2), although it seems that healing cards are fewer than the fatty version, I can sometimes get EM!



3- don't draw like a mad cow after you have a shield up and not too many cards in the deck. You will need time to get the quanta

I think this is the most important hint for using this deck. Usually players new to this deck will draw whenever they can (in order to finish to war earlier), but OTK (one-turn-kill) requires a lot of quanta. You need to have enough quanta to start the combo.

Now, I usually play the Hourglasses without drawing cards unless I don't have a Phase Shield on hand.

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1042685#msg1042685
« Reply #214 on: February 15, 2013, 02:54:23 am »
you forgot to add this



Made with a version I made using 3 sundial and 2 purify, rest is same, no lobo tho

To win against phoenix u must have a quantum hand stard ... 5-6 quanta generator in hand... or else it wont word, you let him use his first 3 explosion on ur quantas then u start putting hourglass, he will use explosion on one or two of thoses, they have priority over the dim shields, AI will always blow up in this order, sundials, hourglass, dimshield, rest. so sancuaries dont help u in that, but they are safe... just play enough sundials / hourglass to keep ur dim shields safe and try to finish combo early, dont try to lose time getting EM or trying fancy tricks and you can win easily, it all depends on starting hand, if hand has 1-2 mana, skip this FG but with 5-6 or even 4, try it, the win ratio is something like 35%

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Re: Limitless speed FG OTK [Epic] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.msg1042857#msg1042857
« Reply #215 on: February 15, 2013, 05:15:09 pm »
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