Levgre's Anti-FG rainbow v1.21

[Levgre]

Yes, sundial doesnt not speed it up
But it u use it just for defence it slows you down

Another question: would a quint or 2 be useful?

I find the slowdown to be minimal, at least worth a turn of devouring, making quantum, mutating, etc., while not being attacked. 

Quint could definitely be useful, for this size deck, probably 1 at the most.  Although the need is reduced with fractal giving extra copies of creatures, and the phoenix drawing fire and getting rid of creature destruction spells.

[baku36]

will have to try rhis one when i get the upgrade fundage lol right now i is a po mofo

[Exarp]

I was thinking about making a deck very close to this one, only with 2 quints and a butterfly effect. I was going to play both of these on an ash, after I fractalled the phoenix. I also wanted to play two storms, and not that plague.
I'm not sure about the wisdom of it though, especially since I saw why plague was in it. My version might also be a bit heavy on aether.
Should I use this version of the deck, or use the modifications I had in mind?

[Levgre]

I was thinking about making a deck very close to this one, only with 2 quints and a butterfly effect. I was going to play both of these on an ash, after I fractalled the phoenix. I also wanted to play two storms, and not that plague.
I'm not sure about the wisdom of it though, especially since I saw why plague was in it. My version might also be a bit heavy on aether.
Should I use this version of the deck, or use the modifications I had in mind?

I also considered butterfly effect, but with two anti-matters and a druid I think there's already enough entropy.  Plus, sometimes you don't have a good target, if you use it on an otyugh it loses it's devour ability. So steal is better in that regard.  But in a different version where you have more low attack creatures butterfly effect could work well.

As for two quints, like you said that would make it a bit heavy on Aether, plus fractal also helps you protect your creatures (strength in numbers).   But two quints could still be good, perhaps take out a shard of gratitude or anti-matter.  But, there are only 3 creatures that you'd want to quint (until you made more creatures with fractal or mutating), so you'd risk drawing 2 quints with no good targets for them.  Perhaps a bigger deck which is similar could use 2 quints, and also more creatures, like a firefly queen.

[Exarp]

I also considered butterfly effect, but with two anti-matters and a druid I think there's already enough entropy.  Plus, sometimes you don't have a good target, if you use it on an otyugh it loses it's devour ability. So steal is better in that regard.  But in a different version where you have more low attack creatures butterfly effect could work well.

Well, for one thing, we have two otys in this deck, and when I use one, I rarely have need for the second, unless I draw it early enough when it doesn't matter much anyway, since quanta is more than likely to few to play a second one soon. Other targets are mutations you can't work with directly, but could give this effect to, but my preferred target, as I said, would be the ash of a so frequently targeted phoenix. I don't per say see a lack of possible targets, but yeah... quanta.
But in my opinion, in some fights you won't use antimatter,  early or otherwise, and would have the time and need to play the butterfly effect. At other times, you won't play butterfly effect because you won't need it.

As for two quints, like you said that would make it a bit heavy on Aether, plus fractal also helps you protect your creatures (strength in numbers).   But two quints could still be good, perhaps take out a shard of gratitude or anti-matter.  But, there are only 3 creatures that you'd want to quint (until you made more creatures with fractal or mutating), so you'd risk drawing 2 quints with no good targets for them.  Perhaps a bigger deck which is similar could use 2 quints, and also more creatures, like a firefly queen.

Yes, there's strength in numbers, but that doesn't mean we should depend solely on those numbers. If we're building an anti FG deck, then I believe there's also strength in your ability to adapt to a situation, and in some cases, you'll want that quinted oty out now, rather than hopefully fractal two turns later, right? But always the actual enemy is quanta...
But I'll definitely not take out a SoG, since in my opinion and  experience, 3 is kinda the minimum.

How thoroughly have you tested your version of the deck? Can you say that quints are more or less obsolete with reasonable certainty? If so, I'll leave the quints out.

Oh, and sorry if you think I'm being a pain, I just want to try to get as many areas covered as possible.

[Levgre]

Nah no pain, discussing Element's is easy compared to building decks :p   It's true that there's a spare oty, but often in a game only one oty will be played, since playing 2 can stretch gravity quanntum.  The 2nd oty is there more so to ensure drawing one earlier.  So having the 2nd for butterfly effect is no guarantee.

The Ash is a very good target for butterfly effect, although there is only 1 in this deck.  There may be a deck variant that works well with 2 phoenixes, or another good low attack creature, where butterfly effect could be more effective.   But it may work well regardless.  I'm not sure which False God's it would help most against, where there are lots of nasty permanents.  This deck is already reasonably effective against Octane.

I have added one quint since, I still think 2 is pushing it.  Against some gods, and perhaps the more difficult gods, quint isn't as high a priority as damage prevention (although 2 quints is always good choice, it's just HOW good is the question, is the trade off worthwhile).  In a small deck with not much drawing capability, every card can count big time.

I'd say I've tested the deck thoroughly but I haven't tested many tweaked versions yet.

[Exarp]

Nah no pain, discussing Element's is easy compared to building decks :p   It's true that there's a spare oty, but often in a game only one oty will be played, since playing 2 can stretch gravity quanntum.  The 2nd oty is there more so to ensure drawing one earlier.  So having the 2nd for butterfly effect is no guarantee.

The Ash is a very good target for butterfly effect, although there is only 1 in this deck.  There may be a deck variant that works well with 2 phoenixes, or another good low attack creature, where butterfly effect could be more effective.   But it may work well regardless.  I'm not sure which False God's it would help most against, where there are lots of nasty permanents.  This deck is already reasonably effective against Octane.

I have added one quint since, I still think 2 is pushing it.  Against some gods, and perhaps the more difficult gods, quint isn't as high a priority as damage prevention (although 2 quints is always good choice, it's just HOW good is the question, is the trade off worthwhile).  In a small deck with not much drawing capability, every card can count big time.

I'd say I've tested the deck thoroughly but I haven't tested many tweaked versions yet.

I suppose I'll try this deck with only one added quint, an extra phoenix for the added butterfly and an extra hourglass. This last one to guarantee some more frequent early drawing power (don't worry, I'd never play two hourglasses, unless my original one got taken for me. lol) If that goes well, I'll see if I'll change things... I'll post again when I know if these changes work well or not.

[Levgre]

I posted my new version (2 card changes), and added a statistics page, although not too many games yet.

[CelestrialDreamer]

Thank you very much for the stat.
So the phoenix is the only card for filling the board
Would it be better if you add one more?
If the only phoenix is at the bottom of the deck, i can imagine some problems.

Looking forward for a nice FG deck (yup u may call me lazy haha)

[Clathius]

I have been using a similar version but with permafrost shields instead of bone walls.   I find the bone walls too situational -> they will only last about 2 turns unless you have substantial creature removal.

My deck is still missing something.  Its like the pieces are there but the ratios of things are off.   

I really don't like the way if the phoenix is killed by the FG, you can't bring it back until 2 turns after. 

Cool tip:  If you devour a frozen phoenix, the ash will not be frozen. 

[Essence]

Playing a slight variant of this deck, the first FG killer I've played since switching to PuppyChows, and...I like it!

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My only losses over my first dozen games have been to Paradox (TUed my Shrieker Mutant 6 times in one turn and took me from 100 to 0 in a single attack), Rainbow (never got any defenses up at all), and Gemini (Just straight spammed 8 Phase Recluses in the first 4 turns...dead.)

[Exarp]

Ok, so my version of the deck doesn't work so well. It's not the quanta production, but rather the amount of cards that's the problem. I only have a low win rate of about 53%, though most of them were EMs, surprisingly. The new version in the OP looks promising, but I might also try essence's version. But is a single sundial really enough?