ivalmian's Rainbow SpeedDeck (kills almost all FG with elem master for v1.17+)

[Jangoo]

Ok... after playing a few more games and landing graviton... i'm gonna say that in my mind  graviton is joining the ranks of rain/dg in being not worth the fight

Yeah really, I lost to him 10 times and won only 2 times in 12 games.
That is way worse than my ratio against Rainbow and Glory even.

The problem is that you HAVE to HAVE a RoF + quinted Oty ready early enough so his momentum wont kill you anyways.
Optional would be a quinted Druid and Eternity to stall his creatures down.
Either way, if you are not ready for action by turn 5 something you are done for.

I used to play with an Oty + H.Armor deck that made Graviton really easy.
It's not really profitable to add Armor since the patches anymore ... :-/

[ivalmian]

Ok.. some more games, graviton being ignored (with dg/rain)

                 win   loss   em   % win   % em
Firequeen    5   0   5   100   100
chaos lord   2   2   1   50   25
miracle           4   0   4   100   100
Destiny           2   0   2   100   100
scorpio           1   3   1   25   25
morte           3   1   1   75   25
Elidnis           2   1   0   67   0
Seism           3   2   3   60   60
Hermes           2   3   2   40   40
Obliterator   2   1   0   66   0
Gemini           1   0   1   100   100
Average           27   13   20   67.5   50


That'a 40 game result with 67.5% wins, 50% em

[elfreth]

More data:
I tweaked the deck to add Jangoo's suggestions, just able to get in 10 games during work...

Results:
morte      1   0   (cards=1)
gemini      0   1   (cards=0; never saw hg, one phase shield, game over 5-6 turns)
fire queen   1   0   (cards=0)
elidnis      2   0   (cards=2;jade staff,forest spectre)
rainbow      0   2   (cards=0;2nd game lost due to no protect artifact in 30 cards)
scorpio      0   1   (0qt/sn in draw,0qt turn 2,3,4,5)
seism      0   2   (1qt in draw-protected @ 2nd turn, 14 cards in=no HG/Shield/Wall) near identical for game 2)

Having much better luck now, the added qt's have been helping I believe.  You'll notice some of the losses are due to just terrible draws.

40% with 2-3 just lost to bad draws.

One thing I've noticed and curious about, with such a slim deck, what should be our hierarchy of discarding when forced to discard (happens often enough I need to ask).

[Jangoo]

Discarding just about always blows majorly with this deck because you basically need every single card. I still dont think that you could establish a set hirarchy since the gods have so different requirements.

I mostly discard Supernovas first unless I already have one Ent-quantum and am pressed for getting those extra two quants next turn to play a Phase Shield e.g.
Against Gemini, Destiny, Incarnate, Morte ... I often discard Quintessence first. (of course gainst those gods and FQ and Miracle PAs go out right away)
Also, if I already have an hourglass out losing one or two doesn't hurt too bad I find.

[mayajulia]

My upgraded version of ivalmian's Rainbow Deck you can see below. Basically I took the "fat" version and fattened it even more, by adding a Quantum Tower, one Supernova, Shard of Gratitude and Fire Buckler.
By these means I am now constantly at >50% against all gods but Rainbow and Divine Glory. Against the latter I even get to some respectable Numbers (around 40%), as the additions of Shard and Fire Buckler both help very good against DG; especially the latter can nearly all by itself wreak havoc against DG, if drawn early enough. But Fire Buckler sure is against many fast gods like Hermes and Fire Queen a good addition, as it can both easily decimate the numbers of attackers in huge numbers and help acquiring Bone Walls and let Otygh get a faster shot against Firefly Queens and Gravitons own Otyghs and other fat-bottomed creatures.

[ivalmian]

My upgraded version of ivalmian's Rainbow Deck you can see below. Basically I took the "fat" version and fattened it even more, by adding a Quantum Tower, one Supernova, Shard of Gratitude and Fire Buckler.
By these means I am now constantly at >50% against all gods but Rainbow and Divine Glory. Against the latter I even get to some respectable Numbers (around 40%), as the additions of Shard and Fire Buckler both help very good against DG; especially the latter can nearly all by itself wreak havoc against DG, if drawn early enough. But Fire Buckler sure is against many fast gods like Hermes and Fire Queen a good addition, as it can both easily decimate the numbers of attackers in huge numbers and help acquiring Bone Walls and let Otygh get a faster shot against Firefly Queens and Gravitons own Otyghs and other fat-bottomed creatures.

I am generally against adding SoG into the deck since most people don't own one (including me, I only have SoD), but may be this works well... My only concern is that you will have further trouble drawing creatures/glasses...

 Please get some statistics, and may be this is the direction we should move towards!

I've played a few more games with my fat deck (will update stats st some point) and after 50 games I'm at 60% win rate (I had like 4 games lost in a row, now I know how you feel elfreth!!!!)

:p

[Cisco]

Actually  with some help via Jmizzle I have 4 sog in my deck and am over 60% closer to 70%. Without theme it be hard to win. They won´t get targeted right away. They are simply low on the list of prioritys for the AI

[ivalmian]

Actually  with some help via Jmizzle I have 4 sog in my deck and am over 60% closer to 70%. Without theme it be hard to win. They won´t get targeted right away. They are simply low on the list of prioritys for the AI

i am not saying they are bad, I'm just saying most people don't have that many... also, with this deck you get 60% without SoG, so I agree that adding will probably boost that percentage..

[Alexfrog]

I really need shards!! People, put um some shard farm t50s!!

[ivalmian]

I really need shards!! People, put um some shard farm t50s!!

again, i think for my deck, playing without SoG is just fine

[zhen_rogue]

Right now i'm testing the 'fat' variant, the only change is swapping the 3 sundials for 3 SoGs.
So far, the results appear better (for me anyway).

[ivalmian]

Right now i'm testing the 'fat' variant, the only change is swapping the 3 sundials for 3 SoGs.
So far, the results appear better (for me anyway).

Well, I can certainly believe that.. I think SoGs are good rares, not essential for this deck, but they ARE good!