ivalmian's Rainbow SpeedDeck (kills almost all FG with elem master for v1.17+)

[ivalmian]

Ok, thanks, did you try my extra fat deck? I have a feeling it MAY be better than the regular fat one

No I did not try it.  I will stick with what I have because switching all the time makes it harder to get valid statistics. I'll continue to gather and report on the SoG variant I am using, at least until I hit 100 games.   On you extra fat deck, I would be interested in the stats, but I like the looks of the 40 card version better.   The bigger the deck, the harder it is to match up quints w/ creatures, the slower it is to get an immortal Oty out, slower to your boneyard, etc.   Perhaps my impression will be wrong.

On another note, one other change I made in my SoG variant that I forgot to mention in previous post (will edit it next) is to put a non-upped boneyard instead of the graveyard.  Its cheaper & therefore faster, and your deck simply does not rely on skeleton damage.  Instead they are there to prevent deck out and also to get improved.  Typically, if I survive to the boneyard/oty setup, then the game is mine regardless of skeleton damage.

Thoughts?

Ok, I understand, I also like smaller decks, which is why my first attempt at this deck was only 35 cards   From the 15 games I've recorded so far, I think the extra fatty  plays a little bit easier than the 40 card deck.. I find that I very often get 3-4 hourglasses by turn 10 which makes me unstoppable.. Also, I don't htink quinting is a problem since you still have the same number of quints/creatures... and extra shields let you wait a little bit longer... (but not much longer since hourglasses still allow you to go through deck in ~15-20 turns).

Boneyard vs graveyard .. like jangoo I think Boneyard >> Graveyard since in MANY close games the 2/2 skellies is what allows me to win.. True, when I am "crushing" the enemy, graveyards seem better, in fair match ups, they don't...

[Vreely]

Another line of thought:

Are you guys using the Miracle enough to have in the deck?  I have to say that in the SoG variant I am still playing, I have only used it twice now in the 60 recorded games.   When I lose, I am losing way before I have the 12 light quanta to use it, and when I win, I get the bonewall defense setup such that I do not need to use it.  There are a couple critical turns it can buy you for sure, but I am just not hitting it very often.

The other use of course is to play right before the end to get an EM victory.  I have used it a couple times in this manner.  I am just starting to consider that its not worth having, at least in the SoG variant I am playing.  I have not made any decisions yet, but I am thinking of removing it after the 100 game mark in place of either a permafrost shield, another SD, or possibly a Forest Specter (an immortal FS is a great place to put water quanta into).  However, I then have a bunch of useless light quanta, and I do so hate to waste

Thoughts?

[ivalmian]

Another line of thought:

Are you guys using the Miracle enough to have in the deck?  I have to say that in the SoG variant I am still playing, I have only used it twice now in the 60 recorded games.   When I lose, I am losing way before I have the 12 light quanta to use it, and when I win, I get the bonewall defense setup such that I do not need to use it.  There are a couple critical turns it can buy you for sure, but I am just not hitting it very often.

The other use of course is to play right before the end to get an EM victory.  I have used it a couple times in this manner.  I am just starting to consider that its not worth having, at least in the SoG variant I am playing.  I have not made any decisions yet, but I am thinking of removing it after the 100 game mark in place of either a permafrost shield, another SD, or possibly a Forest Specter (an immortal FS is a great place to put water quanta into).  However, I then have a bunch of useless light quanta, and I do so hate to waste

Thoughts?

I think with SoGs miracle might be not as needed (remember though, I want to make a deck that works shardless).. I think in the shardless variety, miracle is CRITICAL against poison gods (often time the healing doesn't start to counter the poison until end-game, although less important with extra fattty deck since there is a purify, and most poison is from early game).. also, miracle allows em victories which would not have happened otherwise (again, with extra healing from SoG, might be irrelevant).... With my extra fatty deck, so far ALMOST ALL of my wins were EMs, and I think at least half of the EMs were because I played a miracle... Anyways, these are my thoughts :p

PS: as I play more and more games with my extra fatty deck, the permafrost starts to look like a very good shield...


Here is a VERY perliminery report:

God                     Total Wins       Losses       Em       Win %       Loss %       Em %
Chaos Lord                 0                 2             0          0            1                 0
Miracle                        1                 0             1          1            0                 1
Morte                         2                 2             2          0.5         0.5               0.5
Seism                        1                  2             1         0.3         0.6               0.3
Hermes                      0               2              0          0            1                 0
Incarnate                   3               0              3          1            0                 1
Fire Queen                 1               0              1          1            0                 1
gemini                       2               0              1          1            0                   0.5
Destiny                      1               0              1          1            0                  1
Ferox                         1               0              1          1            0                  1
Total                        12               8             11         0.6         0.4               0.55

[elfreth]

Here's my 10 games w/ the extra-fat (+4 SoGs):

divine glory   0   2
rainbow         0   1
ferox         0   1
incarnate      1   0 (eclipse)
fire queen      1   1
scorpio         1   0
seism         0   1
hermes         0   1 (no idea what I lost too, at 22 life at the beginning of his turn I was suddenly dead)

So, bout par for the course @ 30%.  I'll try the original w/o the SoGs but they've been critical every game so far and I've had no QT issues (thank goodness).  But to be fair I'll give it 10 w/o the SoGs.  Then depending on which performs best, I'll move on toward 50 or more games.

PS. I'm a Permafrost convert now...that thing has been crucial in every win so far!

e

[ivalmian]

Here's my 10 games w/ the extra-fat (+4 SoGs):

divine glory   0   2
rainbow         0   1
ferox         0   1
incarnate      1   0 (eclipse)
fire queen      1   1
scorpio         1   0
seism         0   1
hermes         0   1 (no idea what I lost too, at 22 life at the beginning of his turn I was suddenly dead)

So, bout par for the course @ 30%.  I'll try the original w/o the SoGs but they've been critical every game so far and I've had no QT issues (thank goodness).  But to be fair I'll give it 10 w/o the SoGs.  Then depending on which performs best, I'll move on toward 50 or more games.

PS. I'm a Permafrost convert now...that thing has been crucial in every win so far!

e

Extra fat with 4 SoG is i think won't work.. I think 45 cards is as fat as a deck like mine can go.. any fatter and you'll need more creatures, multiple rof, etc...

[ivalmian]

ok.. update for Extra Fatty now, 25 games => 68% wins total, 64% of all games ended with EM


Total wins: 17
Total losses: 8
Elementary Masteries: 16
Fraction wins: 0.68
Fraction  losses: 0.32
Fraction  EM: 0.64

[Alexfrog]

This deck is good but I think the PuppyChow deck is better, it gets control faster.  It doesnt spend as much time just stalling and drawing, so the game takes less time to finish.  Seems better for coins gained per hour.

[Vreely]

Here is the updated statistics (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3147126446) for 100 games on the 40 card SoG variant I am using.
The Summary:
Elemental Mastery:  33  (rate 0.33)
Wins:  8
Losses:  59
Win Rate:  0.41

Follow link above for full stats.

In the 100 games I only lost 1 of them to a deck out due to Eternity being the last card.

I am going to try a slight variant next where I add back in a SD and maybe a Permafrost shield, then convert back the the upped graveyard.

On a side note:  Anybody else seeing the newer gods at a lower frequency as I am?

[ivalmian]

Here is the updated statistics (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3147126446) for 100 games on the 40 card SoG variant I am using.
The Summary:
Elemental Mastery:  33  (rate 0.33)
Wins:  8
Losses:  59
Win Rate:  0.41

Follow link above for full stats.

In the 100 games I only lost 1 of them to a deck out due to Eternity being the last card.

I am going to try a slight variant next where I add back in a SD and maybe a Permafrost shield, then convert back the the upped graveyard.

On a side note:  Anybody else seeing the newer gods at a lower frequency as I am?

Nice vreely, seems 23 of the losses were from DG/rain/graviton... so without them you get 52%...

I would strongly suggest you try the shardless extra fat (or regular fat) deck though, as I think the deck in its current state is not really shard friendly :p

Also, zanz suggested (in chat) that certain gods (like hermes) are more likely to appear than other gods...

[FrozenFlame]

(no idea what I lost too, at 22 life at the beginning of his turn I was suddenly dead)

He used a fireball on you with lots of fire quantum. Happens to me ocasionally. Next time you'll know ;p

[ivalmian]

(no idea what I lost too, at 22 life at the beginning of his turn I was suddenly dead)

He used a fireball on you with lots of fire quantum. Happens to me ocasionally. Next time you'll know ;p

which is why it's important to use miracle when fighting hermes whenever you're below 30hp... cause then he can just kill ya..

[Vreely]

I would strongly suggest you try the shardless extra fat (or regular fat) deck though, as I think the deck in its current state is not really shard friendly :p

I think you are right that a shardless version is better, and now you have the stats to back it up.