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« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:51 pm »

Here is the latest version of my deck:

Im able to answer some of my former questions myself:
Upgrade graveyard:
Yes. Reason is that the deck is light on ways to kill and you play anyway the yard pretty late in the game or against a god which cant handle it.

Nova:
Atm I dont play with novas. I noticed that the deck has problems with mana distribution so Im testing with 16 lands. Im not sure if it pays out though.

Upgrade fallen elf:
I need too much the 5/5 guys on the other side of the table for otyugh fodder. The mutants are nice but creature destruction is superior to random utility. So no.

Upgrade mindflayer:
I lost the turn 1/2 mindflayer but gained protection against rain of fire and poison kills slower. Its an improvement but a tiny one.


I noticed that I have problems paying the white mana for the miracle (I won one yay!). With 40 cards the carddrawing speed of the deck is pretty high, so having 12 white means its very late in the game. Definitly the weakest card in the deck atm.



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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:51 pm »

Maybe, just maybe, you could take unupgraded queens?
This way you will have lots of white mana.

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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:51 pm »

Hey - thanks for this deck! I was able to beat Rainbow with a mostly unupgraded version (I think I had only 6 or 7 upgraded cards). I was lucky in that he didn't draw towers early (1 or 2 in the first several turns, which I ended up stealing to give myself time to get defense up). I actually had him down to almost 0 health before he played miracle, but in the end I ended up waiting him out (7 hourglasses made that happen quickly).

Anyway, I've used the unupgraded version (or something very close to it) against other gods and I've had success against Gemini, Chaos Lord, and Firefly Queen (and Morte, but only once, but it was a mastery). I would say that I master them about 1/2 the time that I win - and this with unupgraded cards.

Edit: I should probably add that this win was also due to drawing my pulverizer early so that his Eagle's Eyes never stayed in play past the turn they were played.



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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

You need 2 mind flayers and 3 otyughs in your basic deck. Graviton is not anywhere near as hard as you make him out to be, and I currently have the same win rate on graviton as I do on Fire Queen.

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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

You actually don't need Flayer/Ulitharid against Graviton. While it does help, the most effective and consistent way to beat graviton is to drop an Oty while under Sundial with Firestorm at the ready. This way, you can eat his Firemasters and need not worry about Gravity Force. I win about 95% against Graviton with this strategy. This same principle can be applied to Fire Queen, though she is one of the easy ones already.

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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Just wondering:

is there any specific reason why no one talks about have a dissipation field in his/her deck?! I have one and specifically later in the game when some gods (like rainbow, seism and graviton) can still deal a lot of damage, I find it works incredibly well, even though it might cost you some quanta, but it often uses quanta which you don't need anyway

Any opinions on using it?!



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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Just wondering:

is there any specific reason why no one talks about have a dissipation field in his/her deck?! I have one and specifically later in the game when some gods (like rainbow, seism and graviton) can still deal a lot of damage, I find it works incredibly well, even though it might cost you some quanta, but it often uses quanta which you don't need anyway

Any opinions on using it?!
I'm sure dissipation field has its place in the late game against the hard hitting gods. My reason not to run it, even in those situations against those gods you mentioned, are as follows:

1.) Against Seism, the most effective shield against him aside from a phase shield would be his very own Diamond shield. Since you are already tight on quanta in this battle, you definitely don't want to play a dissipation field, effectively killing a comeback. If you can neutralize a few of his big hitters, Seism can barely touch you if you have a stolen Diamond Shield.

2.) Against Graviton, if he has a ton of damage on the board in the late game, you are already in trouble, or have done something wrong. In addition, anything with momentum will just zoom right on past the dissipation field anyway, so the best shield would still be a bone shield, as it will soak up whatever is not momentum'd. Although you should have an Otyugh or two in charge of the board by then anyway.

3.) Against Rainbow, you have to not only have a good enough draw to keep up with him, but you have to keep up the pressure and continue the defense as strong as possible in the late game. The best stalling tactics in order to deck Rainbow (the most reliable and popular method of beating him) require enough time quanta to use Eternity every turn for several turns, and if you have a dissipation field up, it will go bye-bye very fast. In addition, it can be stolen, which is TERRIBLE for you, as you will then have to destroy it, or try to fight through his ~4000 quanta. That's why the best shield to use in this scenario is Bone Shield, to eat up all the late game Improved Steals/Explosions. The last thing you want is to play a dissipation shield and see it, along with your bonds and yards and eternity, all go over to the other side.

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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Just wondering:

is there any specific reason why no one talks about have a dissipation field in his/her deck?! I have one and specifically later in the game when some gods (like rainbow, seism and graviton) can still deal a lot of damage, I find it works incredibly well, even though it might cost you some quanta, but it often uses quanta which you don't need anyway

Any opinions on using it?!


The main reason why I don't use Dissipation Field is that it doesn't help you early in the game, when you are vulnerable. If you use it early, it will just burn out all your quantum and then you will lose for sure. If you use it later, sure it might help, but you would have won without it as well.

Bone Wall and Phase Shield do a much better job, and you don't need any more shields. Actually if you have upgraded deck, you will manage even with only Bone Walls.

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:54 pm »

thanks a lot for making this :), the un-upgraded version works well, however, i don't think it can beat anything over moderate... well not in my experience.

NVM, i got lucky with cards and rainbow's bad luck with cards and actually beat him XD.


You're right, the demon works better than the Elf.

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:54 pm »

Hi Scared and thanks for the build deck you posted! I have a little problem... i'm playing with un-upgraded version of the deck but i'm not able to beat false-god :( Are there any particular strategies?

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« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:54 pm »

Hi Scared and thanks for the build deck you posted! I have a little problem... i'm playing with un-upgraded version of the deck but i'm not able to beat false-god :( Are there any particular strategies?
Did you read this thread? :)

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« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:54 pm »

Hi Scared and thanks for the build deck you posted! I have a little problem... i'm playing with un-upgraded version of the deck but i'm not able to beat false-god :( Are there any particular strategies?
Did you read this thread? :)
Yes i read it :D Maybe i had a lot of many bad hand then :)

 

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