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Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg390866#msg390866
« on: September 08, 2011, 09:17:52 pm »
This is what I get for hanging out with kirch too much... presenting my first PSN speed bow taking inspiration from this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25462.msg399907.html#msg399907), which was one of my first works on EM decks.  I'd like to thank kirchj33 and ralouf for valuable input and help making this a startling speedbow :D

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Stats:

Games: 50Avg ttw: 6.1277Avg. sec/game: 66.10Wins: 47Losses: 3Ems: 8EM %: 16
Score gained: 927
Electrum gained: 1197
Time overall (min.): 55.08
IG Score Efficiency: 1009.74
TSE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21923.msg300098.html#msg300098): 888.74

ttw 3: 0
ttw 4: 8
ttw 5: 12
ttw 6: 10
ttw 7: 8
ttw 8: 4
ttw 9: 3
ttw 10: 1
ttw 11: 1
ttw 12: 0
ttw 13: 0
ttw 14: 0
ttw 15: 0
ttw 16: 0
ttw 17: 0
ttw 18: 0
ttw 19: 0
ttw 20: 0
As you can see the bulk of games result in 4-7 ttw, even 3 ttw are possible.  The main rise in average in ttw comes from ai3 stalling too much D: or bad draws.  There are a few counter measures stalling (charger and discord) but overall that and blackhole are the main weakness here.  Bumped up the pend count from 4 to 5 for ~5% consistency in pend draws, also 2 pends increase the chance of of 3 or 4 ttw quite a bit.  The games are also a bit longer, time wise,  thanks to card drawing animation from precognition and the fact that you have some decisions to make, knowing what the ai can do in the short run and what you can do to affect it's decisions from there.  I feel some of the more expensive cards are a worthwhile inclusion do to the fact of precog helps smooth drawing into your supernovas faster. 

Here's hoping you have as much fun as I do!  Give it a spin and leave some feedback :D

Also some other possible ideas I had where -discord -vamp -ghost -grab +2 unupped ghost and +2 nightmare, but that would be another deck entirely :P  I have given some thought to the unupped ghost tho in terms of cost and 7 being a decent epi # while 9 is horrible xD

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg390883#msg390883
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 09:26:19 pm »
This deck is super fast and super fun!

I hope the ttw study peeps are keeping a close eye on some of the fast decks being posted lately!

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg390891#msg390891
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 09:34:34 pm »
Hey nice deck really when He gave me the list I can't resist to make 200 games with it and .. :

TTW : 5.98 !

I got 2 win turn 3, doable with a 8 cards hand and both time by the same way : turn 1 two pends 3 SN garg epi and TU for 30 damage then discord or recluse.
I got a lot of wins turn 4/5 too but sometimes horrible games (one lasted 13 turns and in 22 cards I had only one SN..)

Really nice deck Matrim, happy that I was able to help you a little ;)
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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg390917#msg390917
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 10:00:14 pm »
This deck is super fast and super fun!

I hope the ttw study peeps are keeping a close eye on some of the fast decks being posted lately!
I assure you that I have been salivating all week. 

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391068#msg391068
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 04:05:15 am »
If you're only using  :time for precogs & 1 GotP, would it be better to switch your pendulums to towers? Just a minor change to get Discord out faster & more consistently

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391099#msg391099
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 05:38:36 am »
If you're only using  :time for precogs & 1 GotP, would it be better to switch your pendulums to towers? Just a minor change to get Discord out faster & more consistently
You need the pendulums, the deck wouldn't work without them. You either wouldn't generate enough time, or you wouldn't generate enough entropy.
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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391112#msg391112
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 07:00:42 am »
Yes this deck use more time than it seems, a lot more.
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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391130#msg391130
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 07:56:02 am »
The addition of discord is a calculated risk here since the deck is meant to run low on entropy just to fuel SNs, the deck also needed something to help disrupt stalling.  If discord was just 6 damage here a long sword or another flesh recluse or even a lycan could be considered.  Also there is only 1 discord so the difficult decision of when to play it doesn't come up terribly often.  Ralouf as towards shortage of :time I have been considering the unupped ghost for more epi synergy, maybe even - grabboid + unupped ghost (though this will return the strain, but lessen :earth strain as LD and Garg are both fans of it.)  The whole idea here is to go for speed as 3 ttw possibility can be quite difficult to deal with, or delay for very long.  Also when thinking about the turns you have to generate quanta from these sources, especially if you have some early precogs is really quite small. 

Just some quick probabilities (accuracy might be within question here but not by a large variance)
1 pend ~94.42%
2 pend ~32.89%
3 pend ~6.79%
4 pend ~0.57%
5 pend (we won't think about this one :P)

Now some if you wanted to try a 4 pend version (again these are rough estimations, but should be fairly close)
1 pend ~89.56%
2 pend ~22.45%
3 pend ~3.07%
4 pend ~0.13%

4 pends, while a decent gamble to draw one first turn, lowers your win rate by ~5% just for this fact.  With 4 pends I wouldn't consider discord (and I really like discord:P)  5 Pends not only gives you ~10% more chance to supernova on turn 1 but makes a 3ttw more likely (albeit a low chance, that you can only do if you lose the coin toss.)  5 Pends helps slightly on the :time QI as well.  Do to the shortness of turns used to generate quanta Pendulums do help edge that factor in, if I was to consider Entropy Towers the Ghost would need to be removed, but I could likely replace it with another discord or recluse, but the grabboids might need to be replaced by a golem at this point D: which would then make me consider replacing the charger with 2 black holes.  In retrospect I think disc 'em would be more effective than a time mark here were towers to be used. 

Kirch, as being up too late often does spawn ideas, I can actually write this one down.  Try disc'em with precogs?  ~83.00% to have a SN in the first 7, ~87.43% in the first 8, ~90.86% in the first 9.  This could allow you to rely solo on werewolves and discord freeing up more damage/card for some other choices since you could plan to draw more SN per game.  Anyways I'll look into this later  :-X

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391132#msg391132
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2011, 08:06:16 am »
Very nice study ;) for my part I never had matter with discord and was always able to play it at turn 2/3.

Moreover having 2 pends in starting hand allows you to make 3ttw as I did. And it is not possible with only one pend..

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg391482#msg391482
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 02:19:14 am »
Sleek and sexy. I'm still in love with Disc Em but this looks clever!

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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg393370#msg393370
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This deck is sexy.Got an 3 ttw on the 3rd game.
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Re: Hand Pewper / Icwutudidthar - PSN timebow!!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30768.msg393490#msg393490
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2011, 12:01:40 am »
Sorry, what's Disc'Em?
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