Golem and Graboid, Best of Friends

[Mastermind79]

People say combining decks doesn't really work.
Golems + Graboids =

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I tested 56 games.

2 losses and...

Turns	Wins
5	7
6	21
7	17
8	5
9	4
10	1
11	1

A preliminary TTW of 6.73, faster than PoldeR's deck, Ubah Stompy.

Please test and suggest improvements.

I'll have a table up in a moment.

[LongDono]

How often will the deck go off?

[Mastermind79]

How often will the deck go off?

Sometimes I get bad draws, but the worst I've had is 1 Nova in the first 3 turns. I can usually get something out within the first turn, if not then the second. I have 25 wins in 25 AI3 games, so you could say it is consistent.

That reminds me: don't be afraid to immolate things that aren't photons - for example, if you have a lycanthrope out and a golem in hand, immolate the lycan. Also, if you have 3 quanta and a golem-ready-to-grow and a graboid in hand, play the graboid. You'll get the same amount of damage, but it will be drastically better after the first turn.

A 5 turn win:
Start:
(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd104375/turn_1)
Beginning of turn 3:


 (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd104374/turn_3)
Middle of turn 5; Lightning played.


 (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd104373/turn_5)

The turns in between, nothing much happened.

[warriorforge]

Quote from: Mastermind79 on November 18, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Requesting a deeper TTW study by someone who's not me for this deck:
Golem and Graboid, Best of Friends.

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56 games gave me preliminary TTW of 6.73. Two losses.

Thanks!


I made a deck like this two months ago! Finally someone else sees the genius of combining graboids and golems!

Alrite few changes could make the deck faster.

I know you didnt ask, but this would definitely help

WHAT TO ADD:
1 Nova
1 Lycanthrope
1 Photon
1 Immolation

WHAT TO LOSE (with explanation):
1 Lightning (pure defensive purposes, doesnt help a rush)
1 Freeze (Same as above)

I would also recommend removing deflag and fog shield (in that order)

Why!?:

 To speed up teh deck a bit. You don't often need deflag for lev 3, but its good to have when facing t50. And fog shield, is well a fog shield, the best cheap (3 or less) shield in the game, while it will increase ur W/L Ratio, it will slightly decrease ur TTW rate.

Plus, i dont believe the win rate; are u sure u arent cutting out any 13 turn losses :p. But seriously, this deck is too close to my deck (see page 24 of Jmdt's TTW Study) to be 6.73. In fact, it doesnt even look like it will crack into the 6 mark. I expect maybe 7.2 or 7.3.


This is my deck, see any similarities??

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I made this deck around October 5th or so and posted it on October 11th.

[Mastermind79]

I made a deck like this two months ago! Finally someone else sees the genius of combining graboids and golems!

Alrite few changes could make the deck faster.

I know you didnt ask, but this would definitely help

WHAT TO ADD:
1 Nova
1 Lycanthrope
1 Photon
1 Immolation

WHAT TO LOSE (with explanation):
1 Lightning (pure defensive purposes, doesnt help a rush)
1 Freeze (Same as above)

I would also recommend removing deflag and fog shield (in that order)

Why!?:

 To speed up teh deck a bit. You don't often need deflag for lev 3, but its good to have when facing t50. And fog shield, is well a fog shield, the best cheap (3 or less) shield in the game, while it will increase ur W/L Ratio, it will slightly decrease ur TTW rate.

Plus, i dont believe the win rate; are u sure u arent cutting out any 13 turn losses :p. But seriously, this deck is too close to my deck (see page 24 of Jmdt's TTW Study) to be 6.73. In fact, it doesnt even look like it will crack into the 6 mark. I expect maybe 7.2 or 7.3.

Lightning is often used as a finishing blow. Freeze is situational, but it stops dragons and/or otyugh, maxwell' demon long enough for me to win. Deflag is ...well...I usually use it for gravity shields, ice shields, delay shields, and hax shields.

Fog Shield: has saved me the game at least 4 times, stopping many attacks. Possibly the combination of defensive cards have won me more games than otherwise.

I have won 54/56 matches. I did not include losses into the TTW, since it is turns to win. I understand your dubiousness, so i recommend that you try this deck for yourself. Some games may be rough, but in the end you'll get mostly 6 and 7 tun wins. At least, I did.

Possibly, I recorded a lot of the wins one turn off, but if that's true, I shouldn't be trusted to continue testing this.

[butcaa]

Quote from: Mastermind79 on November 18, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Requesting a deeper TTW study by someone who's not me for this deck:
Golem and Graboid, Best of Friends.

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56 games gave me preliminary TTW of 6.73. Two losses.

Thanks!


I made a deck like this two months ago! Finally someone else sees the genius of combining graboids and golems!

Alrite few changes could make the deck faster.

I know you didnt ask, but this would definitely help

WHAT TO ADD:
1 Nova
1 Lycanthrope
1 Photon
1 Immolation

WHAT TO LOSE (with explanation):
1 Lightning (pure defensive purposes, doesnt help a rush)
1 Freeze (Same as above)

I would also recommend removing deflag and fog shield (in that order)

Why!?:

 To speed up teh deck a bit. You don't often need deflag for lev 3, but its good to have when facing t50. And fog shield, is well a fog shield, the best cheap (3 or less) shield in the game, while it will increase ur W/L Ratio, it will slightly decrease ur TTW rate.

Plus, i dont believe the win rate; are u sure u arent cutting out any 13 turn losses :p. But seriously, this deck is too close to my deck (see page 24 of Jmdt's TTW Study) to be 6.73. In fact, it doesnt even look like it will crack into the 6 mark. I expect maybe 7.2 or 7.3.


This is my deck, see any similarities??

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I made this deck around October 5th or so and posted it on October 11th.
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that deck is a good one and my stats matched up eith the given almost perfectly

[nilsieboy]

nice deck but looks pretty short on earth for me (maybe use phoenixes?)

[xn0ize]

will this deck work on t50?

[Mastermind79]

nice deck but looks pretty short on earth for me (maybe use phoenixes?)

hmmm, Phoenixes sounds like a good idea, but it seems to me that golems get in more damage, but I'll test it. But then it would be kind of like kevkev's Grabbix, current kind of unupped decks. It really is a tad short of quantum, but it still gets the job done quickly, and it also means less clicks, which is a (marginally) faster game.

will this deck work on t50?

Yes. I can't really think of a new way to get control in there; possibly a heal > forest spirit for survivability, or maybe reverse time > graboid.