GAEM: Giant Amphibi'EM v2.0

[pikachufan2164]

Currently doing a preliminary TTW study of the Frog version; I should have the 50 game set done sometime tonight after I get home

[jmdt]

Currently doing a preliminary TTW study of the Frog version; I should have the 50 game set done sometime tonight after I get home

you rock pika

[pikachufan2164]

Data set complete.

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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 77g 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7jr 7tb 7tb 80gGames: 50
Wins: 47
EMs: 29
Losses: 3
Time taken: 57.017 min.

Win Rate: 94.00%
EM Rate: 61.70%

TTW: 6.723
Average time per game: 68.420 sec/game

Electrum Gained (no spins): 1431
Average electrum/game (no spins): 28.620 /game
Average electrum/minute (no spins): 25.098 /min

Electrum Gained (with spins): 1641
Average electrum/game (with spins): 32.820 /game
Average electrum/minute (with spins): 28.781 /min

Score Gained: 1286
Average score/game: 25.720 points/game
Average score/minute: 22.555 points/min

TTW	Count
3	0
4	4
5	11
6	10
7	9
8	4
9	5
10	1
11	2
12	0
13	1

Thoughts: The lack of Explosions made the mono-Aether elder frustratingly difficult. The faster launch speed helped counterbalance the Frogs' susceptibility to CC, and they work better than Cockatrice when you don't see Pends and Supernovas.

[kirchj33]

Data set complete.

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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 77g 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ds 7gm 7jr 7tb 7tb 80gGames: 50
Wins: 47
EMs: 29
Losses: 3
Time taken: 57.017 min.

Win Rate: 94.00%
EM Rate: 61.70%

TTW: 6.723
Average time per game: 68.420 sec/game

Electrum Gained (no spins): 1431
Average electrum/game (no spins): 28.620 /game
Average electrum/minute (no spins): 25.098 /min

Electrum Gained (with spins): 1641
Average electrum/game (with spins): 32.820 /game
Average electrum/minute (with spins): 28.781 /min

Score Gained: 1286
Average score/game: 25.720 points/game
Average score/minute: 22.555 points/min

TTW	Count
3	0
4	4
5	11
6	10
7	9
8	4
9	5
10	1
11	2
12	0
13	1

Thoughts: The lack of Explosions made the mono-Aether elder frustratingly difficult. The faster launch speed helped counterbalance the Frogs' susceptibility to CC, and they work better than Cockatrice when you don't see Pends and Supernovas.

Wow!  That's a whole turn faster then with Cocks.  I will have to retest for my efficiency study.  People really need to get on board that its electrum gain/hour that really matters!

Anyways... I digress... maybe the name should be changed to Froggy about EMs!.... or Giant EMs?

[pikachufan2164]

Wow!  That's a whole turn faster then with Cocks.  I will have to retest for my efficiency study.  People really need to get on board that its electrum gain/hour that really matters!

Anyways... I digress... maybe the name should be changed to Froggy about EMs!.... or Giant EMs?

Well, 50 games isn't really statistically significant yet -- I'd have to go to 200 games to get any decent data. (Efficient AI3 score farming is all about optimizing the TTW:EM ratio)

Maybe GAEM (Giant Amphibious EM)?

[jmdt]

As I thought, the 5 frog 3 heal version looks to be the fastest.  After playing about 10 tests and having cocks sit in the hand with 2 first turn quanta I figured as much.  Those numbers look ~= to the SCEM numbers if not betteron a first glance.

you had for vGF (version giant frogs):
Win Rate: 94.00%
EM Rate: 61.70%
TTW: 6.723

vEC (cocks)
Win Rate: 94.00%
EM Rate: 68.00%
TTW: 7.894

For Reference

When I ran 200 tests for SCEM it was:
Win Rate: 93.00%
EM Rate: 60.75%
TTW: 6.774

When I ran 200 tests for USEM it was:
Win Rate: 97.50%
EM Rate: 78.97%
TTW: 7.123

So in preliminary testing its faster, wins more and has a higher win rate than SCEM.  I was wondering if frog's speed or cocks's hp was more important and your test has proved the speed wins here (as always).  If you don't care pika, can you do 150 more and post on ttw 2.0.  I have several decks I need to update on there later anyways, lol.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Could this work for T50? I'm dying for some rare weapons as whenever I got an upgraded copy I sold the unupgraded... have to prepare for the war

[yahoo123]

Frogs speed> Cock's Hp much?
Cuz there are so many creatures in the deck that deals >5 dmg ( higher AI targeting priority) and thus not much use.
Against AoE you are probrably screwed anyway lol 

[jmdt]

Frogs speed> Cock's Hp much?
Cuz there are so many creatures in the deck that deals >5 dmg ( higher AI targeting priority) and thus not much use.
Against AoE you are probrably screwed anyway lol 

Exacly, a frog is last on the targeting priority list in this deck.  Seed can be used ot buff it if need be.

[kirchj33]

The data using frogs would make it amongst the most efficient decks out there.  Calculating the TSE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21530.msg296140#msg296140) would be among the most efficient decks there are:

This would put it as:

1. TADA (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21706.msg296927#msg296927)=1207 score/hr
2. USEM=1202 score/hr
3. Frogs in CAEM=1176 score/hr
4. SCEM=1139 score/hr

I will be sure to recalculate using frogs, which will adjust for user-based time differences.  50 games is a little premature to claim all this as fact, but I believe the farming differences between these 4 decks is fairly negligible.

[jmdt]

The data using frogs would make it amongst the most efficient decks out there.  Calculating the TSE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21530.msg296140#msg296140) would be among the most efficient decks there are:

This would put it as:

1. TADA (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21706.msg296927#msg296927)=1207 score/hr
2. USEM=1202 score/hr
3. Frogs in CAEM=1176 score/hr
4. SCEM=1139 score/hr

I will be sure to recalculate using frogs, which will adjust for user-based time differences.  50 games is a little premature to claim all this as fact, but I believe the farming differences between these 4 decks is fairly negligible.

Iteresting.   I'll have put put willng up to double checking this.  We may have beaten USEM, but with my fail draws I'm skeptical.

[pikachufan2164]

So in preliminary testing its faster, wins more and has a higher win rate than SCEM.  I was wondering if frog's speed or cocks's hp was more important and your test has proved the speed wins here (as always).  If you don't care pika, can you do 150 more and post on ttw 2.0.  I have several decks I need to update on there later anyways, lol.

I was already on it

I'll hopefully have 200 games done by next weekend (in between my onslaught of co-op applications, midterms, and projects).

I still must say that the deck needs to fit Explosions in there somewhere -- shields, especially Dimensional, Ice, and Procrastination, are the bane to a fast TTW. At least 2/3 of the time with the mono-Aether elder, I get stalled at least 3 turns (if I win of course) by Dim Shield chaining (after 6 turns of Dim Shields, it's very difficult to win).