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Fire/Earth rush deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9311.msg109684#msg109684
« on: July 07, 2010, 11:49:58 am »
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It's seem to me a good deck. Do you have some suggestion to improve it?
(2 Deflagration will be turned into 2 Explosion as soon as possible)

* engine: red pillar (or nova)+ minor phoenix (or brimstone eater) + cremation
* nova + cremation also used for vampire stiletto and shard of gratitude
* stone pillar only to grow up lava destroyer
* fire lance and firestorm to eliminate the very quite problematic creatures or against some swarm-deck.... use it wisely... the important thing is: you have to deal more damage than the opponent
* fire-buckler to block the little creature and the immaterial ones. sometimes in combo with the shoots for the bigger creature
* Explosion to remove problematic shields and weapons, or shard of gratitude... use it wisely
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 08:31:10 pm by willng3 »

Selenbrant

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Re: Fire/Earth rush deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9311.msg109694#msg109694
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 12:35:29 pm »
Stay mono and change mark to earth. You will probably not draw your earth pillar. Why do you have a Vamp Stiletto there? If you want a Rush deck you should remove at least 1 FireStorm and 1 FireBuckler, because they will slow you down slightly. You should add Cremations and reduce to 30 cards.

I would go for something like:
Earth Mark
5 Lava Golems
6 Cremations
2-4 Explosion
2 Crimson Dragon
1 FireBuckler
1 Firestorm
=19 cards

then Cremation Fodder:
maybe 3 Minor Phoenix + 4 Brimston Eater(because you already upped them)
or simple 6 Photons
=25/26

The remaining cards should be Tower, especially with the Phoenix/Brimstone variant you will need at least 1 Tower for a "first turn start".

saguaro

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Re: Fire/Earth rush deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9311.msg109941#msg109941
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 07:54:28 pm »
I tried the mark of earth... don't look a good choice. The deck seem slower and less-effective.

The only creature will be Lava destroyer, that is too weak in the first 3 turn in play: phoenix is a fundamental supporter.
Also the dragon is too weak and very expensive to play... i prefer 2 phoenix(s) than 1 dragon.
The brimston  is 2/1 against photon only 1/1, give back fire quanta instead 1 "useless" pillar and work with cremation. Same idea for minor phoenix, 4/1 and recyclable!
The earth quanta isn't gived only from earth pillar, but also from nova and cremation, meanwhile the earth pillar is played. Seldom I had problems to win without earth quanta.

The vampire stiletto use death quanta gived from nova and cremation (only 1 quanta), deal some damage and give back an intresting amount of life in case of slow start or against other rush deck.

Is not rare these start up in my match:
- red pillar, red pillar (or nova), minor phoenix, cremation, phoenix, vampire stiletto (11damage; 15 in the 2nd turn)
- red pillar (or nova), brimstone, cremation, vampire stiletto, fire buckler (or minor phoenix), lava destroyer (and 2 earth quanta to grow it up)

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Re: Fire/Earth rush deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9311.msg109972#msg109972
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 08:42:26 pm »
The Dragon is weak and too expensive? Dragon has 12 attack and a better cost-dmg ratio.

then Cremation Fodder:
maybe 3 Minor Phoenix + 4 Brimston Eater(because you already upped them)
or simple 6 Photons
You will probable immolate your Brimstone, thus Photons are a much better choice, because you dont need a Tower in your start hand. It makes no difference whether your fodder has 2 or 1 attack, its only fodder.
With Photon you need 3 cards: Golem, Cremation, Photon
With Phoenix you need 5 cards: 2 Tower, Phoenix, Golem, Cremation
With Brimstone you need 4 cards: 1 Tower, Brimstone, LavaGolem, Cremation
Phoenix is "recycable" and Brimstone produces quanta and both have more dmg, but Photon will give you definitely a faster start.

Earth Mark is much more useful than the earth pillar. It guarantees you quanta. The Novas are pretty useless, because you only use 2/12 quanta(earth, fire). You will still be able to play Stiletto with Cremations only.
Also earth pillars are additional cards and make your deck bigger. 40 cards are just slow, especially for a Rush deck.

Some decks using earth mark:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6167.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6302.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4562.0.html

With a smaller deck using Photons and wihtout defense you probable start with something like this:
(http://imageplay.net/de/view/m7Gbd72999/fire_rush)

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Re: Fire/Earth rush deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9311.msg110245#msg110245
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 06:40:07 am »
Your analysis is deep and correct.
I will remember your suggests and I'll try some modify.
Very good the choice to build up the deck with 30 cards; less card = less "fortune" factor

I have some doubt about dragon... every time i faced this kind of dragon, I eliminated it without any problem.

Thank you.

 

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