Firecell FG OTK [Unupped] [Rareless]

[Farin44]

Pure aflatoxin and empathic bond is a good way to go, or aflatoxin + SoP is pretty good

[Chapuz]

Pure aflatoxin and empathic bond is a good way to go, or aflatoxin + SoP is pretty good

But I don't want to afla my creatures... have you seen the pics to understand the idea?

[Vineroz]

So I see this deck has been suggested as the newbie FG farmer for some time now, and I tried it out a few games with my alt.

The run wasn't exactly smooth. Most of the time it suffers from bad draws (no Dims/HG), or quanta issues, especially you got 2 sancs in your hand that you never get the quanta to pay for, and some other cards (e.g. Chimera, Skyblitz) clogging your hand.

This deck idea is basically the same as FFQ counter. That deck was considered to be one of the most successful unupped specific FG counter in my experience. If it is tweaked for a bit as follows:

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Then I think it can tackle the problems I have encountered. Thoughts?

[Drake_XIV]

The issue to me, at a glance, is does it produce fast enough and in enough quantity to support the Vultures?

[eaglgenes101]

The issue to me, at a glance, is does it produce fast enough and in enough quantity to support the Vultures?

Chapuz's deck runs it solely on 13 QT's. 14 QT's and 2 death pendulums is plenty enough.

[Vineroz]

The issue to me, at a glance, is does it produce fast enough and in enough quantity to support the Vultures?

This is one of the problems I encountered with Chapuz's deck. I often find myself short of quanta. But with my build it has no problem at all.

[TribalTrouble]

But I like my 2 RoF

[Chapuz]

I would do it 33 cards, adding a RoF and a dim (which can be discarded if needed). 6 dims is a must, as there is no extra  generation.
@Vine: I will assume you did NOT use extra glasses and discard dims instead of gaining all the quanta for as long as you could, right?

I wish someone had the time to make a little test of this against the winnable FGs, importing the code in the trainer. I will see if I have some time today/tomorrow.

Also, no sancts lets you have pretty sundials. With only 1 hourglass in play, it makes a card advantage.

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[Cr33pnD3a7n]

I would do it 33 cards, adding a RoF and a dim (which can be discarded if needed). 6 dims is a must, as there is no extra  generation.
@Vine: I will assume you did NOT use extra glasses and discard dims instead of gaining all the quanta for as long as you could, right?

I wish someone had the time to make a little test of this against the winnable FGs, importing the code in the trainer. I will see if I have some time today/tomorrow.

Also, no sancts lets you have pretty sundials. With only 1 hourglass in play, it makes a card advantage.

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Had trouble with posion decks since there are no sancs. 

[Chapuz]

Spoiler for Hidden:

I would do it 33 cards, adding a RoF and a dim (which can be discarded if needed). 6 dims is a must, as there is no extra  generation.
@Vine: I will assume you did NOT use extra glasses and discard dims instead of gaining all the quanta for as long as you could, right?

I wish someone had the time to make a little test of this against the winnable FGs, importing the code in the trainer. I will see if I have some time today/tomorrow.

Also, no sancts lets you have pretty sundials. With only 1 hourglass in play, it makes a card advantage.

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Had trouble with posion decks since there are no sancs.

Posted a new version, 34 cards with 1 purify. Less bulky = more chances of early dim shields and puri works fine against Serket, Elidnis and those non-Chrysaora poison FGs. Enjoy, and thanks Vineroz for the inspiration!

[fyresentinel]

Nice update. Purify over Sanctuary may mean fewer EMs (less life gain, but comes out much earlier), but hopefully the trimness makes up for this. The Death Pendulums are good to see (I went so far as to use a Death Pendulum and a Bone Pillar in my deck, in order to find the minimum of 21 death quanta needed to combo out, often more since I wanted to get rid of the Afflotoxins in hand).

Given the loss of Sanctuary, how does it now work against Nightmare, and quanta denial FGs (Discord, Pest, BH, etc)?

[epocnys]

Given the loss of Sanctuary, how does it now work against Nightmare, and quanta denial FGs (Discord, Pest, BH, etc)?

It seems like it will be much like Limitless Speed without having sanctuary.  Decay sometimes gets ahead of me in denial and I lose, but even without sanc eventually I'll have the quanta to play the combo. 

I'm going to give this new change a try and see how it goes.