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Firecell FG OTK [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1024979#msg1024979
« on: December 23, 2012, 12:38:42 pm »
Taking a look to the old FG Vulture Pseudo OTKs I came with this deck. It's totally unupped and rareless, and being Dim Shield based it lets you have complete control against PCless FGs.

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Resume: Dim Shield rainbow build with a 4/5-card 200 damage combo.
1- Fill the oponent with Cells
2- Vulture + Fractal + RoF + (optional) RoF + Sky Blitz + (optional) Chimera  <~~~~ Yes, it doesn't use more than 6 cards.
3- If you didn't understand the resume, look at the spoiler just below.

Spoiler for detailed guide, by fyresentinel:
Firstly, an introduction. What is Firecell, and what is it meant to do? Firecell is a deck that is used to defeat certain False Gods slowly but reliably by using a lot of stalling tactics followed by a massive combo. It's two main charms are that it is very cheap to build (can be played with no upgrades or rare cards), and that it is very fun to deal 200 (or more) damage in one turn.

Who are the False Gods (FG)? They are the ultimate AI you will face in Elements. They have 200 HP, draw extra cards and gain extra quanta. All their cards are upgraded, which makes them very challenging but also means that if you win cards from them, that those cards will also be upgraded. Since upgraded cards sell for over 1200 Electrum, this can provide a solid income of thousands of electrum per hour.

So what is the big combo used to make false gods explode? Firstly, you have to play Aflatoxin on one of their creatures, preferably a small one (low HP, no more than 4). Aflatoxin does 2 damage a turn to the target, and when the target dies (doesn't have to be from the poison), it turns into a Malignant Cell (1 attack, 1 HP) on the False God's side of the board. Every single turn, the Malignant Cell divides and spawns a copy of itself, so first there is 1, then 2, then 4, 8, 16, 23 (at 23 the board is full, and no more creatures can be played on that side). So now there will be a lot of cells trying to kill you. They will be failing thanks to your Dimensional Shields. Eventually, you will have drawn all the cards that you need for the combo (Golden Hourglasses help draw cards. So here is the combo:

  • Aflatoxin - you've already used this to make cells. Discard the extra ones
  • Vulture - this critter gets +1/+1 every time something dies
  • Fractal - cast it on the vulture and you will fill your hand with Vultures (before casting Fractal, you should have no more than 5 cards in hand. Discard extra Hourglass if you need)
  • Play the 4+ Vultures from your hand that Fractal gave you
  • Rain of Fire (x2) - cast this and kill all those cells on the other side of the board. Then watch as your Vultures grow to 20+ attack each. You can discard one if there are only creatures with 3 or less (many many Cells)
  • Sky Blitz - this will double your Vultures' attack, meaning they will now hit for 40+ each
  • Chimera - does your opponent have a massive Bone Wall or some other annoying Shield? Cast Chimera and watch as you bypass the shields for more than 200 HP with a single creature. You can discard it or play it before the whole combo if the FG doesn't have an annoying shield, that will give you a more empty hand.
YOU HAVE TO PLAY ALL THOSE CARDS IN THE SAME TURN

Strategy
Stalling: you stall with Dimensional Shields, while drawing towards your combo with Hourglasses. Generally, only those gods with low levels of permanent control are viable for Firecell, and permanent control will always hit an Hourglass before a shield. Hopefully you can survive long enough to chain all your shields together, and often this means waiting until your health is in the 30-60 HP region. You can weather a few hits, but beware of creatures that deal poison damage as this will continue to hurt you after you play your shields. Generally you want to have another shield in your hand when you play one, or have an Hourglass on the field. If your  :time Quanta income is low, don't play additional Hourglasses beyond the first, hold onto them to play later or discard. The same goes for the second Aflatoxin if you are low on Death Quanta. Also, never press spacebar without checking that your shield won't expire!
Malignant cells: the earlier you play Aflatoxin the better, as it gives the cells more time to divide, and once the board is full your opponent cannot play any more creatures which is very useful
The kill: to win, you need the right cards in hand (or be able to guarantee that you draw them from Hourglasses that turn), you need to have your hand have as few cards as possible, to get the right number of Vultures. You carefully need to look at the number of creatures that you can kill (disregard those that are immortal or have more than 3 or 6 HP (depending on how many Rains of Fire you have). If there is a shield out, you may need to use Chimera.
Picking your targets and skips: this deck only works against about 10-13 of the 29 False Gods (depending on the exact cards used). Lots of gods will destroy your shields, and some, like Morning Glory, have no targets for you to Aflatoxin. Your best bet is to skip any gods that are impossible or very hard to beat. You lose 30 electrum, but that is much better than playing for 5 minutes with a high likelihood of losing anyway. Good targets are Destiny, Elidnis, Ferox, Fire Queen, Gemini, Incarnate, Miracle, Morte, Neptune, Paradox, Serket, Scorpio. Some of these are harder than others. Try all of them at least once and get a feel for what your deck can beat. Note that if you play on Kongregate, the white border hides the gods' names - you have to highlight or double-click the text in the upper right to read it.

The numbers
- quanta requirements: for the minimum combo, you will need to play 5 Vultures (including the initial one), 1 Fractal, 1 Rain of Fire, and 1 Sky Blitz, for a total cost 15  :death, 10  :aether, 7  :fire and  9  :air. You may also need to play a second Rain of Fire (14 Fire total), extra Vultures from Fractal and Chimera (7  :gravity). If you are approaching the end of the game and seem short on quanta, stop drawing from your Hourglasses, so you have more turns!! You will almost always be safe with the Shield chains by this point.

Tips and tricks
Discarding: at some point you need to look at your hand and decide if you will have enough room for Fractal'd Vultures. If you don't have the Quanta to drop your last Shields, Aflatoxin and Hourglasses, start keeping your hand full and discarding them every turn. Generally you only need 1 hourglass, 1 Aflatoxin and 3-5 shields. Removal: sometimes you may need to use a single Rain of Fire to clear out dangerous creatures (Physalia) or if you have no shields, even after you've used Aflatoxin. This is a big risk (especially if you only have one Aflatoxin! I strongly recommend running 2).
Drawing: with 3 hourglasses, you can begin your combo if you have 3 or fewer cards in your hand, as long as you have both Fractal and Vulture in your hand. This will let Fractal give you more Vultures.
2-turn kills: sometimes you need to risk getting off an early combo, e.g. if you run out of shields. This is only viable against gods that won't suddenly kill you next turn (they may be holding a lot of creatures) or that can remove all your Vultures, or that have Miracle. Keep the deck lists of the various gods handy to know what they are running.
Keep track of your shield usage: sometimes it's really important to know if this is your 5th or your 6th shield!
Tweak the deck: throw in Time/Death Pendulums if you feel need them, or take pillars out. Add Sanctuary or Sundial, or Purify as you see fit.
Aflatoxin: if you have the Death Quanta and an extra Aflatoxin, play it on a creature that will die in the first Rain of Fire. The second Rain will kill the Malignant Cell, for an extra +1 for your Vultures.
Against Incarnate and Morte your Chimera can easily get over 400 attack due to the Boneyards. Take screenies!

Upgrades
- Electrum Hourglasses are by far the most important upgrade, as they allow you to pay 1  :time to draw a card, instead of 2. Phase shields costing 5 can save your life, and allow you better Fractal timings. The extra +1 damage from an upgraded Vulture could potentially be useful, but this is unlikely (I have, however dealt 196 damage with no cards in my deck, upgraded Vulture would have won that). Once you have upgraded your Towers/Pendulums, your returning time for your Electrum will be very low. Rain of Fire is useful to upgrade since it only costs 5, but Fire is generally not your limiting factor.

Win %
- you should be winning 35-55% of your matches against non-skip gods (about 1/3 of them). Once you get the first upgrades (Hourglasses) this will look more like 45-75%. It takes me 4-5 minutes to beat a false god and 5 seconds for a skip, so you can easily do ~10-12 or so false gods an hour, with hopefully at least 5-6 victories. You tend to get a card every other win (although this can vary a lot). I've posted a number of stats on page 8 of this thread.

Remember: be careful of the order you play your cards in, check the amount of dying creatures and  :death quanta! Take your time towards the end of the game, if you make a mistake it's probably going to result in a loss

Winnable FGs: The FGs you can win against them. If you play against a FG that is NOT in this list, just quit and play against other one.
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  • Destiny
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  • Paradox
  • Chaos Lord
  • Decay
  • Dream Catcher
  • Fire Queen
  • Hecate
  • Serket
  • Lionheart (win by deckout, use all the shields!!)

Damage table, from Veens Vicious Viotech
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Horizontal = Creatures killed by Rain of Fire
Vertical   = Condors
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624364860728496108120132144156168180192OTKOTKOTKOTKOTKOTKOTKOTK
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Re: Vulture POTK [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1024980#msg1024980
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 12:41:55 pm »
Where's the chimera?
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Re: Vulture POTK [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025426#msg1025426
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 03:42:58 am »
Where's the chimera?
Under the Aflas   :P

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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025458#msg1025458
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 06:07:09 am »
I quite like it. ^-^

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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025477#msg1025477
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 07:28:13 am »
Haha, I just realized that Purify is really annoying to go against with this deck. Also, AI will CC its afla'd creatures. I just experienced this when I had afla'd one of my opponent's two red nymphs. before the afla'd red nymph died, he killed it with berserk.

Btw, has anyone thought of siding some Nymph's Tears to go against lionheart, DG, and have an easier time with elidnis?
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025490#msg1025490
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 08:47:44 am »
Huh, maybe that's what my decks needed.  A Chimera.

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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025523#msg1025523
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 01:14:27 pm »
Btw, has anyone thought of siding some Nymph's Tears to go against lionheart, DG, and have an easier time with elidnis?
Why would NT help against Lionheart, DG and Elidnis? Lionheart lobos every creature, so is a skip. DG is virtually impossible to defeat and Elidnis isn't that bad at all
btw: 1 Liquid Shadow is a GREAT addition for platinum EM, but don't you find too many SoFos?
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025533#msg1025533
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 02:27:29 pm »
Btw, has anyone thought of siding some Nymph's Tears to go against lionheart, DG, and have an easier time with elidnis?
Why would NT help against Lionheart, DG and Elidnis? Lionheart lobos every creature, so is a skip. DG is virtually impossible to defeat and Elidnis isn't that bad at all
btw: 1 Liquid Shadow is a GREAT addition for platinum EM, but don't you find too many SoFos?

NT gives you a target to aflatoxin. Yeah, weird, the three time I've tried it I never met SoFos. Btw, note to those who want EMs, don't use Liquid Shadow on your Chimera. Only Liquid Shadow the first vulture, or don't Liquid Shadow at all.

I've started adding 1-2 lobos unprotect mind flayers to the deck, it works great against SoFos, chrysaoras, momentum, etc. :P As for the OTK combo, I've added another vulture (7 cards with liquid shadow) so I could go down further a row, but I might be replacing it for Rain of Fire just for all the high-HP creatures I see in Plat.
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1025879#msg1025879
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 10:08:14 pm »
Little change in the deck! - Quantum Pillar, + RoF
A 2nd RoF lets you have more winnable FGs and makes other ones easier!
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1026227#msg1026227
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 01:21:46 am »
wow this isnt half bad. Its great for people looking to take their first stap at fgs

my first time using it i got an EM on Lionheart hahaha.....quality.
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1026239#msg1026239
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 03:44:36 am »
wow this isnt half bad. Its great for people looking to take their first stap at fgs

my first time using it i got an EM on Lionheart hahaha.....quality.
Hmhh I thought it was impossible, but now I rememeber he uses to deck out against dim shields. He decked out, right?
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Re: Firecell Scavengers FG POTKal [Unupped] [Rareless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45355.msg1026338#msg1026338
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 10:50:04 am »
Yeah put lionheart in a seperate table of riskier FG's, and put a special note: Win by deckout. Don't draw more than necessary.
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