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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg79547#msg79547
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2010, 03:23:02 pm »
I'm trying this deck unupgraded and I have to report that i skip even ferox paradox osiris (plus the other that was indicated). And with the other "piece of cake" you have to be lucky... for example if u start with only one shield it is only luck, who knows where are other shields...

So this deck suffer from card like steal, explosion, black hole, momentum... as creator said it's focused only on few FG

But I really hate this luck factor... I'm trying it adding 4 SOG because they work like a shield in the first phases of the game (in the beginnin we hope play against weak creatures). So u can suffer more damage... in some cases it's also convenient brake the chain of shields because u are shielded by your own HP (but it depends case to case... u have to evaluate it carefully).

Next step... what about adding upgraded sundials? They cost 0 and grant u an ulterior turn (and if u have shards on field it allow you to increase your hp, read more defence). But I still haven't they so... I have to wait to say if them work well :)

Now I'm play with this deck
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It's a little bit different but skipping a lot of FG I collected a lot of electrum in a short period of time: if u win u do it in less than 25 turn, the game is simple and fast (and a little boring too :)). Versus, with a rainbow u have to stay more concentrate on game and use permanent ability (more mouse click in a turn) and often u have to recur to Ethernity to win... you have to play more over 25 turn.

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg80923#msg80923
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2010, 09:14:38 am »
one question:

do we need to skip Octane if we have reflective shield & nova in opening hand?

I think we have to spend more than 3 firebolts on thier Eagle's Eyes
and our Fahrenheit will be destroyed in a few turns

so can we beat Octane?

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg111009#msg111009
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2010, 02:48:07 pm »
That won't work vs octane. He will destroy Fahrenheit, like you said, and will kill you with creatures before you get enough fire quanta to kill him.

twinsbuster

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg111025#msg111025
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2010, 02:59:11 pm »
I'm trying this deck unupgraded and I have to report that i skip even ferox paradox osiris (plus the other that was indicated). And with the other "piece of cake" you have to be lucky... for example if u start with only one shield it is only luck, who knows where are other shields...

So this deck suffer from card like steal, explosion, black hole, momentum... as creator said it's focused only on few FG

Very seriously, you shouldn't skip ferox and paradox. They're pretty easy. Maybe you just got bad luck a few times.

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg113970#msg113970
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2010, 01:05:04 am »
It's nice - I'm having a bit of bad luck today, so I only got 5 of the easy gods and got 5 of the skip ones. Overall, I got - Paradox, paradox, paradox (o.O) elidnis and destiny killed.

It relies on a little luck, that's true. a few times, my shield chain broke - and the other one was 1 draw away. Obviously, it gave me quite some hit, but I survived and got the other shield. It broke again, but by that time I had a nova + sundial, fixing the chain.
It's a nice deck to play with - it doesn't needs THAT much attention, but it requires the attention of you not accidentally breaking the shield chain yourself.

If you get lucky, you can hold onto the shields for slightly longer then 18 cards - I got till 14 cards against paradox, but I only had 5 hp left, so I was forced to start playing the shields.

The longer you hold onto the shields, the bigger the chances that the chain won't break. Because of that, SoG's are nice to have so they not only keep you alive, but give you a better chance of having a better shield chain. Unfortunately, I don't have the SoG's - yet. - But the deck still works.

What can be annoying are a few shields come repeatedly (happened once), few burning pillars in the first turns (but it will be fixed late - game) and nova in the 5-  lower cards of the deck.

Overall, I think it's pretty nice that a deck un-upped like this can farm a few fg's to get more money to make FG decks that can kill all - or almost all, since I doubt there's a deck that can kill all FG's..-  Fake Gods.

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg114043#msg114043
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2010, 03:24:34 am »
In fact I don't use this deck now, because it made me get rich. :)

I know some variations about 1-2 Electrocutter instead of Fahrenheit to higher the win rate.
Since Electrocutter can stop momentum, it opens the opportunities to some FGs. It also stops Pharaoh and FFQ, which mean you can hold your shields much longer.
6 fire lances are enough anyways in the very late game and Fahrenheit only faster the game in most situation.

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg114269#msg114269
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2010, 01:40:20 pm »
Lol.

Actually, this deck doesn't needs the fahrenheit - I don't have one but still use it and have o.k results.

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg118176#msg118176
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2010, 08:22:30 am »
interesting idea,most of the time i use firebolt for t50 but never thaught of using it against fg,i'll test this  :)
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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg118705#msg118705
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2010, 01:54:39 am »
I've found Osiris practically impossible- he's got too many momentums. With 1 SoG I found I had to use three fire bolts just to stay alive. Maybe with 4 I could ignore the damage.
I've removed the Sundial and added two Fire Storms. It costs 10 quanta, but with the amount of creature clearance, it can save you more than one turn- my first win with Gemini was because I destroyed 6 of his Phase Recluses early on.

Other than that, it's a pretty awesome deck. Thanks for the idea

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg118739#msg118739
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2010, 02:47:15 am »
I've found Osiris practically impossible- he's got too many momentums. With 1 SoG I found I had to use three fire bolts just to stay alive. Maybe with 4 I could ignore the damage.
I've removed the Sundial and added two Fire Storms. It costs 10 quanta, but with the amount of creature clearance, it can save you more than one turn- my first win with Gemini was because I destroyed 6 of his Phase Recluses early on.

Other than that, it's a pretty awesome deck. Thanks for the idea
actually I beat Osiris with the unupped build, but not quite often
with an early Fahrenheit, , you can kill him with only one weapon and use all 6 fire bolt on his momentum creatures.
with the upped version you also have the SoGs
if you use electrocutter instead of Fahrenheit, you can simply lobo the momentum creatures. (can beat Gemini also)

anyway FireStorms can be a good try to save you from breaking of shields chain

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg119678#msg119678
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2010, 04:03:57 am »
I would like to know how to deal with osiris using this deck.  I either get beat up with momentum damagers or i blow too many fire bolts killing them and then cant finish off the fg.  The deck is in the easy cake list but it just seems to be a no-go for me so far.  I guess I have to get lucky with the weapon but even then his weapon has momentum too.  I dont want to bog the deck down with rain of fires or permenant destro for one deck so I guess I'll have to keep trying to get lucky draws on that one.  I still think it should be in the 'difficult' grouping though

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Re: Fire Lance sudden killer (work with no ungrade) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6758.msg119798#msg119798
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2010, 11:20:20 am »
switch fahrenheit with lobo, that should help you with Osiris and many other FGs. you only need 6 bolts to the dome so having fahrenheit doesnt really help anything. at least lobo can do a little bit of creature control (mainly to shutdown momentum'd and growth creatures)

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(I modified it with -1 Sundial, +1 Electrocutor to have a better chance at getting lobo early)

 

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