FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped]

[AD TienzuStorm]

Yes, I know, that's what I'm saying. The upped Sundials would mess with the mulligan.

[serprex]

Don't worry about the mulligan so much. PDials rarely gets mulligan screwed, & runs on 6-8 pillars. Free dials will win you more games than they'll lose

[CrockettRocket]

Don't worry about the mulligan so much. PDials rarely gets mulligan screwed, & runs on 6-8 pillars. Free dials will win you more games than they'll lose

This.
and even if the QP's were replaced with novas you can still play the sundials as well as use hasten. I don't see a problem. However, with my mod I gave I kept the QPs and didnt change them to novas.

[dragtom]

and even if the QP's were replaced with novas you can still play the sundials as well as use hasten. I don't see a problem. However, with my mod I gave I kept the QPs and didnt change them to novas.

what was suggested wast that all quantum pillars got replaced by 1 single nova,
and fill in the remainder with pendulums

[AD TienzuStorm]

So would there be six Novas to use six Sundials and their effects? Why should they be QPs? They're not as reliable as Novas (and considering quanta control, Dark Matter and Decay both have ways to go through Dim Shield, which makes them skipped gods), and it's not like there is a need for a lot of different elements anyway. I'm in the middle of testing, the new deck should be up soon.

EDIT: After doing some testing with this deck

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I've decided that I would like some help balancing the deck. The Sundials don't seem to come as often as I would like (the reason for only having 5 Novae/Sundials/Dims is to make the deck smaller), and they only give five draws as compared to unlimited with Hourglasses.

Any suggestions as to improve the speed?

[andretimpa]

Why not this?

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[Chapuz]

With 6 Dim Shields and 6 Dials you have a max of 24 turns of protection + 6 draws, a total of 30 draws. It is likely not to have quanta for dials (and draws) or to use 2 dials in the same turn or play a shield a turn before it's needed to avoid discarding, so I recommend the 6th shield and sundial.
Also consider throwing frozen BBd upgraded dolls and having a RT (you only need 3 dolls of 67 damage each)

@timpa: that version needs much more gravy quanta, no?

[andretimpa]

@timpa: that version needs much more gravy quanta, no?

Maybe, I didn't tested it.

The gravy part needs to generate 24 quanta, to pull everything (20 upped), which would be 12 turns for the unupped in the best case scenario (14-16 is more realistic) and 8 turns with upped quanta and upped catas (10-12 to be more realistic).

So if you up catas and pends it probably works. Maybe -1 time pend -1 gravy pend + 2 gravy pillar for the unupped version.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Why not this?

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I've done some testing, and yes, I have to agree with Chapuz: not enough quanta. I've lost a few games solely because I didn't have enough to use the Catapults. But, I believe that this version is probably the best so far, and I think that all we need to do is just add in a few Gravity Pendulums.

[flyingcat]

You can definitely run more than 30 cards if you've got 3 HG. I'd suggest running 35 cards with 3 HG, but that's just me. Other than that, I like how it only uses one rare and no ups  .

[AD TienzuStorm]

You can definitely run more than 30 cards if you've got 3 HG. I'd suggest running 35 cards with 3 HG, but that's just me. Other than that, I like how it only uses one rare and no ups  .

Thanks! I guess I could make it more. The reason I want it to be 30 is that I want this OTK to be as fast as possible, enough to make it able to compete with OTKs like Firecell that use no rares. The combo is only six cards and completely unreliant upon the opponent's field (thus, gods like Elidnis are much easier to beat when compared to with Firecell that requires most creatures to have 6 or less HP), so I'm hoping that this could be a possible alternative to Firecell to a bit faster and around the same reliability (last turn Catapult is ew).

[serprex]

If last turn catapult is the largest issue in good matchups, try with 5 catapults. If you're drawing your deck faster than quanta allows you to play combo, the dead card won't slow you as much