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FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179825#msg1179825
« on: February 20, 2015, 03:41:55 am »
CataTitans FG OTK!!

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This deck uses this combo:

Titan
Flying Weapon
Freeze
3x Parallell Universe
Catapult!!!!

This OTK uses only one rare and has three OPTIONAL upgrades.

The advantages of using this instead of Firecell:

- The combo doesn't depend on the FG's field, since on average, Firecell depends on the FG not getting 6 creatures with more than 6 HP
- It is a bit faster (don't have any stats yet, might have it in a few days) than Firecell
- The combo doesn't require the hand to be empty, which is helpful when you get the combo early with several Dims in your hand

The upgrade order is:

Golden Hourglass – The amount of :time quanta reduced from upgrading is unbelievable, makes this deck go by so much faster
Dim Shield – Lowers the strain on :aether quanta and also allows you to get one up faster
Catapult – Again, like the HGs, the strain on :gravity quanta is reduced significantly
Parallel Universe – Like the Dims, lowers :aether quanta strain

Afterwards, it doesn't matter what you upgrade, it won't matter that much, just make it slightly faster

Just make sure you do not upgrade the Nova (Supernova costs :entropy quanta, which this deck can't produce).

Stats for unupped (win|lose)
Destiny: 50|50
Elidnis: 50|50

To be continued, don't have time to finish right now, the rest will probably be up by Saturday or something.

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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179826#msg1179826
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 03:50:18 am »
One problem with PC gods: If you hold them until last turn, you can't use the ability of catapults. If you play them early, you could get them destroyed, and not do the 200 damage needed. Enchant Artifacts maybe?

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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179843#msg1179843
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 09:48:51 am »
One problem with PC gods: If you hold them until last turn, you can't use the ability of catapults. If you play them early, you could get them destroyed, and not do the 200 damage needed. Enchant Artifacts maybe?
dims and hourglasses are primary targets generally

maybe sundials for more PC diversion?

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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179846#msg1179846
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 11:01:45 am »
 Inspiring. It looks like it needs more quanta, having a lot of  :gravity :time :aether looks difficult.
There also is the "Last turn Catapult" issue. Maybe make it with 1 upgrade and replace Titan and FW with Voodoo, BBs and 1 RT like an unupped VooTuFlew
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179875#msg1179875
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 11:19:40 pm »
One problem with PC gods: If you hold them until last turn, you can't use the ability of catapults. If you play them early, you could get them destroyed, and not do the 200 damage needed. Enchant Artifacts maybe?

Well, my idea originally had EAs, but then I realized that most playable FGs in Dim Shield based decks have little to no PC (I personally avoid any PC just to ensure a win, but other people take the chance of playing gods like Chaos Lord and other FGs with only a little PC), so the EAs would typically be unneeded.

One problem with PC gods: If you hold them until last turn, you can't use the ability of catapults. If you play them early, you could get them destroyed, and not do the 200 damage needed. Enchant Artifacts maybe?
dims and hourglasses are primary targets generally

maybe sundials for more PC diversion?

Hmm, Sundials would be a nice addition, although :time quanta is already very strained

Inspiring. It looks like it needs more quanta, having a lot of  :gravity :time :aether looks difficult.
There also is the "Last turn Catapult" issue. Maybe make it with 1 upgrade and replace Titan and FW with Voodoo, BBs and 1 RT like an unupped VooTuFlew

Yeah, balancing the quanta was a bit troublesome, since there were only two cards that needed the QPs, which made it rather difficult to decide how many Pendulums I would need for each element. The unupped version is probably a bit low on :time quanta, since I haven't tested that one much yet, so it has the same amount of Time Pendulums as the upped.

As for the Catapult issue, I guess I could put in another Catapult (since that would somewhat help with PC issues in the case of certain low PC gods along with the last turn thing). Then again, a 0.33 chance is rather low and I wanted to make this as quick as possible. But, I'll do some more testing and see if it's an issue.
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179877#msg1179877
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 11:35:55 pm »
As Freeze and Flying Weapon both just need one quanta each, I'ld just go for one Nova and turn the QP's into Pends.
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179879#msg1179879
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 11:57:17 pm »
As Freeze and Flying Weapon both just need one quanta each, I'ld just go for one Nova and turn the QP's into Pends.

Okay, that makes sense, I'll change it

EDIT: It's a bit difficult balancing the :time quanta, as of Pendulums, while needed for the early Dim Shield, eventually don't give out enough :time for the HGs (I guess you don't have to have all three of them out, but it would be nice to have a turn 4 Hourglass). Any suggestions?
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179908#msg1179908
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2015, 03:04:56 am »
replace the hourglasses with sundials, time pends with gravy pends. <--- requires upped sundials. Unupped keep the time pends as time pends. 
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179929#msg1179929
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2015, 03:53:51 am »
replace the hourglasses with sundials, time pends with gravy pends. <--- requires upped sundials. Unupped keep the time pends as time pends. 

The problem with that is that to use Hasten, you would need :light quanta, which is unavailable since the QPs were replaced with a single Nova. Adding in a few Light Pendulums would be helpful, but that basically goes back to what the problem with :time quanta was.

And wouldn't the upped Sundials mess with the mulligan?
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179940#msg1179940
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2015, 04:20:08 am »
Unupped dials don't mess up with the mulligan, only upped. The unupped ones will give you an extra turn for yout towers  :)
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179995#msg1179995
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2015, 03:38:24 pm »
Unupped dials don't mess up with the mulligan, only upped. The unupped ones will give you an extra turn for yout towers  :)


I'm assuming that you mean upped instead of unupped at the end. But, that would force me to have a :light mark for situations when the mulligan only gives me Sundials.
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Re: FG OTK CataTitans [Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57614.msg1179998#msg1179998
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2015, 04:06:36 pm »
No. All 0-cost cards screw the mullugan, like Sparks, Photons and upgraded sundials.
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