Post by: Asterix3 on December 28, 2012, 08:07:52 pm
The best part about this deck is you learn to play so many different decks...even if you don't own the cards. Every game is different and I'm always learning.
Main idea behind the deck: Get huge elemental mastery wins. Platinum gives out 300+ Electrum for EM at normal hp, at 180 hp it gives 550+ :)
How to do it:
1. Get Hourglasses up ASAP.
2. Start copying with mindgate (make sure you have enough :aether for shields though!)
3. Play SoDiv to increase hp
4. Play Eternity + Protect Artifact and reverse your photon if you are in danger of decking out
5. Play Miracle + Heal on the turn you win to get EM
How to do it:
1. Get Hourglasses up ASAP.
2. Start copying with mindgate (make sure you have enough :aether for shields though!)
3. Play SoDiv to increase hp
4. Play Eternity + Protect Artifact and reverse your photon if you are in danger of decking out
5. Play Miracle + Heal on the turn you win to get EM
If you haven't upgraded all these cards yet, do it in this order:
1. All the Hourglasses
2. Lobotomizers
3. Aether Pillars
4. Phase Shields
5. Quantum Pillars
6. Mindgates
7. Miracle
8. Purify (might be helpful upgraded against an early nerotoxin if you get a lucky draw?)(Probably not worth the 1500 electrum required to upgrade!)
(Enchant Artifact, Photon, Eternity, Heal, and Purify don't really need to be upgraded. You should have TONS of extra quanta when you play them)
1. All the Hourglasses
2. Lobotomizers
3. Aether Pillars
4. Phase Shields
5. Quantum Pillars
6. Mindgates
7. Miracle
8. Purify (might be helpful upgraded against an early nerotoxin if you get a lucky draw?)(Probably not worth the 1500 electrum required to upgrade!)
(Enchant Artifact, Photon, Eternity, Heal, and Purify don't really need to be upgraded. You should have TONS of extra quanta when you play them)
Removed the SoSes to focus on mindgate
Added Purify to improve odds vs. Poison and SoSac
Added Eternity/Photon/Enchant Artifact to prevent decking out (6 Hourglasses get you moving pretty quickly)
Added Purify to improve odds vs. Poison and SoSac
Added Eternity/Photon/Enchant Artifact to prevent decking out (6 Hourglasses get you moving pretty quickly)
Games Played: 29
Wins: 7 (6 EM) (20% Winrate)
Losses: 28
Turns/Game: 13.3
Electrum Won: 4058
Electrum/Turn: 10.5
Wins: 7 (6 EM) (20% Winrate)
Losses: 28
Turns/Game: 13.3
Electrum Won: 4058
Electrum/Turn: 10.5
Games Played: 56
Wins: 18 (14 EM) (32% Winrate)
Losses: 38
Turns/Game: 15.9
Electrum Won: 8921
Electrum/Turn: 10.0
Wins: 18 (14 EM) (32% Winrate)
Losses: 38
Turns/Game: 15.9
Electrum Won: 8921
Electrum/Turn: 10.0
Post by: Pineapple on December 28, 2012, 08:26:10 pm
Post by: Asterix3 on December 28, 2012, 08:29:25 pm
I would add lobotomizers or mindflayers+quints just because of how prevalent sofo is in this format. Also, some form of healing, like Sancs, wouldn't hurt.
Very true. I've been having trouble with them. I'll try adding lobos
[Edit] Added two lobos, so far it's working wonders. I updated the stats and the deck in the original post.
Post by: allen.wayne.sears on December 29, 2012, 04:08:08 am
Post by: Asterix3 on January 02, 2013, 04:36:51 pm
I also trying adding a couple reflective shields as this deck is BRUTAL vs. SoW, but they didn't seem to help that much...too hard to find them in a deck this big.
I've been trying a bunch of other community recommended platinum decks as well...can't find anything that gets electrum faster yet...though Ralouf's 'The Gold League Killer V2.0' (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29406.0.html) gets more spins (even vs. Platinum)...so depending on how you value a spin, it might be better.
Post by: TribalTrouble on January 15, 2013, 09:13:13 pm
Post by: Gandora on January 15, 2013, 10:12:07 pm
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on January 15, 2013, 10:53:08 pm
I think some salvager and a quint to protect your phase shields from being destroyed might be useful?
Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't be too useful, since getting it destroyed even just for one turn may kill you anyway.
Post by: Gandora on January 15, 2013, 10:57:43 pm
I think some salvager and a quint to protect your phase shields from being destroyed might be useful?
Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't be too useful, since getting it destroyed even just for one turn may kill you anyway.
Hm... maybe. I just thought that having them destroyed early and immediately restored leaves the opponent with no PC in mid-to-late game. Also, you'd always be in a card advantage due to "indestructible" Mindgates and Hourglasses. However, I never played the deck and am very inexperienced with big decks :) So yeah, it was just an idea that came to mind :)
Post by: Zarathustra1883 on January 16, 2013, 02:24:03 am
Post by: Max Fire on January 16, 2013, 01:50:06 pm
Post by: Zarathustra1883 on January 16, 2013, 02:05:32 pm
So I am not saying you are wrong not saying you are right, just that you could at least explain why you think that way.
Post by: Max Fire on January 17, 2013, 08:24:50 pm
I tested this deck and i found it is very very slow at the beginning of the game. The problem mostly comes from the random effect of the quanta production which makes electrum hourglass hard to get early. Even if we have a mindgate, it's hard to get the quanta to play on the same turn a phase shield and the mindgate (or the duality ability).
Post by: Zarathustra1883 on January 17, 2013, 11:42:44 pm
Ok.
I tested this deck and i found it is very very slow at the beginning of the game. The problem mostly comes from the random effect of the quanta production which makes electrum hourglass hard to get early. Even if we have a mindgate, it's hard to get the quanta to play on the same turn a phase shield and the mindgate (or the duality ability).
100% correct. It is no rush deck and it takes time before the quanta production lets you use all its powers and you will loose some matches because of it but it still works. Like I said I modded it, f.e. I took out the SoD and one of the Lobos. If the deck had SoD I could mindgate, ok. But 100 HP EM is enough for me and I hate to go above 50 cards and it got me some shards in plat. Slow yes, not working no. ;)
Post by: Asterix3 on March 11, 2013, 02:47:20 am
I've also recently built an upped poison dial (from the community recommended thread). I use that deck to farm FG and Gold for cards (much better win rates) but I still use this deck when I'm looking for some :electrum. Once you get to know it, you can tell within 5 turns whether you will win or not.
Quit instantly against the following (not worth your time, and you will very rarely win):
-Anything with Shard of Wisdom
-Anything with Shard of Freedom
-Most gravity decks (SoF and momentum are brutal)
-Ghost of the Past decks (beatable, but not often enough to make it worth trying)
SoD is optional, but has saved me many times and gives a huge boost to EM. Second purify will get upped someday...but I've never needed it upped yet.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on March 11, 2013, 02:55:40 am
Post by: Asterix3 on March 11, 2013, 09:33:50 pm
^I'd suggest using phase salvager as rewind fodder. It doesn't mess up mulligan, and there's tons of aether quanta floating around.
Good call, will do. Though it may not help anymore than the ray of light. Sometimes (when your opponent has no CC) the ray of light gets SoD and Miracle ready faster.
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 11, 2013, 10:06:50 pm
Post by: Asterix3 on March 11, 2013, 10:56:04 pm
Why not an Otyugh for a better chance at pwning SoFo? If nothing else Devouring stuff is fun :3
I really don't think Otyugh would help much until mid game (when you have enough gravity to use it) and SoFo isn't a problem mid game (thanks to the lobos). Though Otyugh is very fun to use, I think it would clutter this deck up too much. (Some would argue it is already too cluttered).
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 11, 2013, 11:33:14 pm
Post by: Asterix3 on March 12, 2013, 02:42:42 am
K then... why not a Mirror Shield to counter SoW?
Short answer: Same reason as above, adds too much clutter.
Long answer: SoW and SoFo are only problems because they can kill you early on. Once the mid-late games starts, this deck has so many mind gates that I can out damage practically any deck. And a miracle with 196 hp (after the SoDs) gives me almost 400 hp to play with (not counting purifies and the heal). The only problem with SoW is that it can kill you before you get enough cards to fight it...a Mirror Shield would have to show up within the first few turns or you will be dead. In a deck with 55-60 cards (depending on how many shields you add and what you get rid of) you would need a good number of shields to guarantee that draw, and all the extras (once you get the one you need up) are wasted draws...especially when you're playing a deck that doesn't use spell damage. Also note that once a mirror shield is in play, the AI stops adding SoW to its creatures...so you will still receive damage from all the new creatures the AI plays.
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 12, 2013, 07:14:42 pm
Post by: Asterix3 on March 13, 2013, 12:28:28 am
I'm learning more from your responses than from actually playing the deck! Thanks for these answers! Had no idea that the AI stops adding SoW after Mirror is in play!
Other important AI things to note about this deck:
-Targets Eternity before anything else
-Targets Hourglasses before Dim Shield
-Targets Dim Shield before Lobo or Mindgate
-Targets your largest stack of pillars with earthquakes and quicksand
-Wont play Shard of Sacrifice unless you have a decent amount of attack power on the field
-Wont play creatures (and will burrow any that are played if possible) if you have shard of sacrifice in play (but will still play poison)
Also note with Mirror shield that AI will play Unstable Gas but wont activate it if you have a Mirror shield in play.
That's everything helpful I can think of right now.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on March 13, 2013, 12:44:22 am
Post by: Asterix3 on March 13, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
^Which does it target first? Lobo or mindgate?
haha, afraid someone was going to ask that. I don't remember...I would guess lobo, but don't really have a good reason to guess that.
Post by: Asterix3 on March 14, 2013, 07:18:21 pm
^Which does it target first? Lobo or mindgate?
Just discovered the answer to this in a platinum SoFo deck. AI targets mindgate before lobo...(which was very helpful in this case).