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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112369#msg1112369
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 04:50:42 am »
Finding that the SN rarely matters and I prefer an extra SoFr to get more reliably boosted attacks
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112377#msg1112377
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2013, 05:45:32 am »
Finding that the SN rarely matters and I prefer an extra SoFr to get more reliably boosted attacks
It matters for that super combo you get if you get lucky enough to draw it by turn 2.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112383#msg1112383
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2013, 06:02:58 am »
An EpiVuBow?  Although, I will say, it looks like a nice polish on the original for PVP play.

Still looks mighty familiar, maybe only about 3 cards different than my SoSa EpiVu on my Bravery Page
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Also, Hinarv, the Anti-CC doesn't apply here, the SoFr Anti-CC only works for  :air creatures.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112488#msg1112488
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2013, 10:47:15 pm »
An EpiVuBow?  Although, I will say, it looks like a nice polish on the original for PVP play.

Still looks mighty familiar, maybe only about 3 cards different than my SoSa EpiVu on my Bravery Page
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Also, Hinarv, the Anti-CC doesn't apply here, the SoFr Anti-CC only works for  :air creatures.
Yes, we've found other decks look a lot like this, but when i posted I didnt see them. Also I find my version the best :P Although the damselflies are fillers, so if someone would rather trade the SN out for another sofree i suggest changing a damselfly instead. I have run my deck with -1 bravery -2 damselfly +2 silences +1 upgraded pandemonium, Change the supernova to regular nova. 
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112527#msg1112527
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2013, 04:44:27 am »
It matters for that super combo you get if you get lucky enough to draw it by turn 2.

Sure, just doesn't make me as happy as a more consistent deck.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112530#msg1112530
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2013, 05:05:40 am »
It matters for that super combo you get if you get lucky enough to draw it by turn 2.

Sure, just doesn't make me as happy as a more consistent deck.
Ive done 6 hours of testing nova to supernova ratio including 0n 6sn and 6n 0sn. I found without using quantum pillars, and using entropy mark you want 4SN 2n. Without entropy mark, you want 5n 1SN. Ive tested it is why I put this version up. The damselflies are great fillers, but fillers none the less. If your having quantum problems replace them with QT's and life towers with QT's.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112579#msg1112579
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2013, 03:45:06 pm »
No, that's just thing. Your quantum set up was working great for me. What I wanted was to get to 4 SoFr on the field more often, and since the SN was pretty much never needed, I swapped it for another SoFr. That's all.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112582#msg1112582
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2013, 04:32:43 pm »
No, that's just thing. Your quantum set up was working great for me. What I wanted was to get to 4 SoFr on the field more often, and since the SN was pretty much never needed, I swapped it for another SoFr. That's all.
Ohhh! Ok. I still would recomend trading a damselfly for a freedom instead as epi or a elite deja vu plus a different elite deja vu already on the fields ability can be expensive which 1 SN usually fixes vs 2 nova. Or if you get from the beginning 2 nova 1 supernova that provides a super strong start.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112671#msg1112671
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2013, 03:04:36 am »
Ohhh! Ok. I still would recomend trading a damselfly for a freedom instead as epi or a elite deja vu plus a different elite deja vu already on the fields ability can be expensive which 1 SN usually fixes vs 2 nova. Or if you get from the beginning 2 nova 1 supernova that provides a super strong start.

Cool, I'll give that swap a try and compare. Thanks.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1112776#msg1112776
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2013, 08:26:44 pm »
Ohhh! Ok. I still would recomend trading a damselfly for a freedom instead as epi or a elite deja vu plus a different elite deja vu already on the fields ability can be expensive which 1 SN usually fixes vs 2 nova. Or if you get from the beginning 2 nova 1 supernova that provides a super strong start.

Cool, I'll give that swap a try and compare. Thanks.
If you still want CC defense, then keep 1 damselfly, if you want a tad more consistancy in the boosts then 2 sofree for the damsels. To me adrenlin gives the main boost so I didnt care to much about having 6 sofree with 5 bravery, but rather the versatility with damsels. I do sometimes trade 1 out for a silence and another for sofree though.
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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1115401#msg1115401
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2013, 01:25:43 pm »
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I made this deck today on a rush, and it's incredibly similar to yours (Maybe this is where I based the concept out of, I browse a lot of deck pages only to discover I do something similar later on.)

Anyway, main differences -

1) Cloak. It's gonna save you from Single target CC, and it's kind of hateful when the Deja-Vu gets CC'd. Specially after a buff. Or, at least, makes opponent waste a PC.
2) -1 Deja-Vu, +1 Epi. Epis are more important since they're the bulk of the deck, so I decided having one extra copy wouldn't hurt. I'll only ever be able to use a total of 6 time quanta, so I didn't use a fourth deja.
3) Supernova becomes Nova. This is just preference, because I hate decks that mix these two. Sometimes it works, most of the time I have a hand with 1 nova and 1 supernova and I can do nothing for a few turns.
4) Congeal is a wild card. It can be Purify, Silence, or whatever you want, really. I just thought Congeal would fit well, and it has saved me a few times. Silence could do better, not sure.

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Re: Elite Momentum (Rainbow) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50958.msg1115433#msg1115433
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2013, 06:42:25 pm »
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I made this deck today on a rush, and it's incredibly similar to yours (Maybe this is where I based the concept out of, I browse a lot of deck pages only to discover I do something similar later on.)

Anyway, main differences -

1) Cloak. It's gonna save you from Single target CC, and it's kind of hateful when the Deja-Vu gets CC'd. Specially after a buff. Or, at least, makes opponent waste a PC.
2) -1 Deja-Vu, +1 Epi. Epis are more important since they're the bulk of the deck, so I decided having one extra copy wouldn't hurt. I'll only ever be able to use a total of 6 time quanta, so I didn't use a fourth deja.
3) Supernova becomes Nova. This is just preference, because I hate decks that mix these two. Sometimes it works, most of the time I have a hand with 1 nova and 1 supernova and I can do nothing for a few turns.
4) Congeal is a wild card. It can be Purify, Silence, or whatever you want, really. I just thought Congeal would fit well, and it has saved me a few times. Silence could do better, not sure.
I built mine for pure speed, what you did was you changed my two filler cards (damselflies) to a cloak and a congeal. then you changed one deja for an epi. I used a 4th deja to get faster starts and more consistant ones. You'll never be able to use 4 epi's either because the math should have either been done already or you were able to use epi+momentum before using the ability. (you have only 3 creatures, so most likely you'd already have the buff cards before you get a deja) It's already very tight on life quanta with the high draw power. I recommend silence over cloak anyway though because you can protect a deja vu the turn you lay it, and then buff it. You cant kill 2 copies with a single cc card. I also would also change the congeal to Baslisk blood anyway. Were not useing either water or earth already, same cost different element (which doesnt matter here) but 2 turns more stall. You can think of baslisk blood as killing a creature cause the match will be decided heavily in someones favor anyway where you know to quit or not. There are 3 versions of this I actually use, the one I posted, -2 damselflies -2 life towers +4 quantum towers (or +3 qt's and +1 silence), -2 damselflies +1 silence +1 BB. Also the supernova allows you to play the 4th deja, but not its ability, which to me is fine cause it almost never gets down to that, and the turn it does ive found I've been able to deck out or massivly overkill on it anyway. This being tweaked for extra speed however is they best AI4 killer and would love for it to be tested. Ive killed more then 150 AI4's with it and can easily say its the best, but no statistics. Ive found that 6 braveries gives you too many braveries instead of another card. 5 is the optimum. And I've tested with nova/supernova ratio including 6:0 and 5:1 is the best. Now for the mathematics of this deck: You'll find 1 copy of A,B,C,D,E,F... each most consistantly where A=B=C=D... so to have 4 epi 3 unstoppable 3 deja is bad balance braveries however make this a little unnoticeable.
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