DEMA: Destroy 'EM All! V2.1

[~Napalm]

Ha!

okay i have gotten about 5k score and like 8000 electrum since last night without actually playing much...this deck is boss.

While Jmdt is level 7. This deck is level 8

200 games, 195 wins, 5 losses. 97.5% Win Rate.

144 Elemental Mastery's yields a 73.85% EM Rate. (We're rounding this to 74%...)

Average Turns to Win: 5.9333 "Any deck in the 6 or less ttw range is stupid fast" ~ Jmdt

Win Count:

  3: Sadly, none, although it is possible. I had 2 with a different variation (luck...)
  4: 26 -- That's ~1/8 games!
  5: 63 -- That's Almost 1/3!
  6: 54
  7: 24
>7: 28 (Longest was 11)

 This deck is just amazing to use. I would easily recommend this over Jmdt's Ultimate Speed EM Deck because, well, this deck is simply more Ultimate . While not for use by casual grinders, this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe. Those numbers were optimized by me picking between the following options: Win now because I can't get an EM, or stall 1 turn (harder than you might think) and get the EM one turn later. If you're one of those who wants to grind score while being a lazy *bleep* couch potato watching TeleVision, Stick with USEM. But for those who seek a little variety and entertainment, DEMA is for you!

[tinkady]

...this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe

yeah there actually is a good amount of strategy for this deck.
and any complains i had about it EMing enough have disappeared, i was just getting unlucky early on.

Napalm, do you have elec/hour and score/hour stats? thats the only way we can really compare this to SEM

[jmdt]

...this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe

yeah there actually is a good amount of strategy for this deck.
and any complains i had about it EMing enough have disappeared, i was just getting unlucky early on.

Napalm, do you have elec/hour and score/hour stats? thats the only way we can really compare this to SEM

I'll get those stats tomorrow.

[willng3]

This deck is just amazing to use. I would easily recommend this over Jmdt's Ultimate Speed EM Deck because, well, this deck is simply more Ultimate . While not for use by casual grinders, this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe. Those numbers were optimized by me picking between the following options: Win now because I can't get an EM, or stall 1 turn (harder than you might think) and get the EM one turn later. If you're one of those who wants to grind score while being a lazy *bleep* couch potato watching TeleVision, Stick with USEM. But for those who seek a little variety and entertainment, DEMA is for you!

The statement in red disturbs me.  I would like elaboration on the exact reason you feel DEMA is more ultimate than USEM because, quite frankly, I don't agree.

[jmizzle7]

This deck is just amazing to use. I would easily recommend this over Jmdt's Ultimate Speed EM Deck because, well, this deck is simply more Ultimate . While not for use by casual grinders, this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe. Those numbers were optimized by me picking between the following options: Win now because I can't get an EM, or stall 1 turn (harder than you might think) and get the EM one turn later. If you're one of those who wants to grind score while being a lazy *bleep* couch potato watching TeleVision, Stick with USEM. But for those who seek a little variety and entertainment, DEMA is for you!

The statement in red disturbs me.  I would like elaboration on the exact reason you feel DEMA is more ultimate than USEM because, quite frankly, I don't agree.

Napalm believes DEMA to be faster (and thus more efficient) than USEM. Which deck is better has not been definitively proven as of yet, but the general consensus is that DEMA provides ruthless speed/EM frequency at the cost of extra clicks and deck stability, while USEM provides a more consistent/mindless deck that also maintains a high win/EM rate, at the cost of ttw.

[willng3]

This deck is just amazing to use. I would easily recommend this over Jmdt's Ultimate Speed EM Deck because, well, this deck is simply more Ultimate . While not for use by casual grinders, this deck takes a little thinking and strategy, more so than you would believe. Those numbers were optimized by me picking between the following options: Win now because I can't get an EM, or stall 1 turn (harder than you might think) and get the EM one turn later. If you're one of those who wants to grind score while being a lazy *bleep* couch potato watching TeleVision, Stick with USEM. But for those who seek a little variety and entertainment, DEMA is for you!

The statement in red disturbs me.  I would like elaboration on the exact reason you feel DEMA is more ultimate than USEM because, quite frankly, I don't agree.

Napalm believes DEMA to be faster (and thus more efficient) than USEM. Which deck is better has not been definitively proven as of yet, but the general consensus is that DEMA provides ruthless speed/EM frequency at the cost of extra clicks and deck stability, while USEM provides a more consistent/mindless deck that also maintains a high win/EM rate, at the cost of ttw.

Thank you for that clarification, it was hard for me discern from that statement for some reason...I really can't wait to see the stats for DEMA vs. USEM once they're posted.

[QuantumT]

For those of you in the top 50, one tweak I thought of to make the deck a bit more competitive when played by the AI is to switch out the ball lightnings for photons. You lose the potential burst damage of the ball lightning, but using photons instead means the AI won't use up its cremation fodder when it should be holding on to it.

[plastiqe]

Didn't read 7 pages but I was just wondering if anyone has tried Liquid Shadow instead of Vampiric Dagger?  I know some people don't like to think too much but if you played your Golems and Liquid Shadows in the right order it'd be worth a lot of healing.

[tinkady]

Didn't read 7 pages but I was just wondering if anyone has tried Liquid Shadow instead of Vampiric Dagger?  I know some people don't like to think too much but if you played your Golems and Liquid Shadows in the right order it'd be worth a lot of healing.

thats a possibility...im guessing no. the vamp daggers work really well, the LS doesnt add any damage, couldnt come out early, and stops the golems from growing. only thing is that the second vamp dagger is a dead card...thats not much of a problem tho, i doubt LS is better
if you want extra healing, i'd recommend swapping out a nova for a fog shield

[Nadrin]

Tried the liquid shadow. slowed me down. This deck is stupid fast. It's amazing.
Best first turn damage so far: 27.
100 Games:
TTW
3 Turns: 19
4 Turns: 29
5 Turns: 43
6 Turns: 7
7 Turns: 2

Amazing. Stupid fast. 86% EM (a nice number due to 100 games )

[~Napalm]

Tried the liquid shadow. slowed me down. This deck is stupid fast. It's amazing.

"Anything in the 6 or less ttw range is stupid fast" ~ Jmdt. You speak the truth 

[tinkady]

Tried the liquid shadow. slowed me down. This deck is stupid fast. It's amazing.
Best first turn damage so far: 27.
100 Games:
TTW
3 Turns: 19
4 Turns: 29
5 Turns: 43
6 Turns: 7
7 Turns: 2

Amazing. Stupid fast. 86% EM (a nice number due to 100 games )

umm are you sure about this data? three turn wins are possible but really rare. i seriously doubt you got 19 of them in a 100 game run