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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1000296#msg1000296
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 02:50:11 am »
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And no dunes?
Dunes would completely change the deck.  I am not comfortable with suggesting such a major change.
Joking, right? just replace 2-3 scorps for dunes
No, not joking.  A deck with Dunes is different than a deck with deathstalkers.  Dunes are also more synergistic with sundial, RT, Eternity, etc. and this deck lacks those.  Therefore I would not put dunes in.
Ok you are really ticking me off with these posts here.
1) This isn't your deck, so what if you can't suggest these while feeling comfortable? We can, we will, and we are.
2) Your only reasoning is that this is different. Well, a RoL/Hope deck with -2 Dragons +2 Angels is different. Does anyone argue with it just because it is different? No. Do they think that one is better than the other due to different advantages and disadvantages, well, yeah, but that is more personal opinion so they don't dispute it.
3) This was suggested (a valid suggestion imho) because it is better for the deck, makes it stronger, faster, and increases quanta balance.
4) Why are you so arrogant? Your posts here make me get the impression that you think just because you disagree with it, it is wrong. Well, that path of thinking is wrong.
5) A deck does not have to be completely based around a card that is popularly used to base decks around just to include it in a deck. Sure, it may take advantage of that card's abilities, but a deck can be improved by said card in different ways for different reasons. I don't see why you can't wrap your head around that.

I believed that Chapuz was asking why I didn't also include dunes on my list of suggested changes - looking back on it, the comment was vague enough to refer to either me or the OP.  Spoilers for sarcasm.

1) I have no problem with this.
2) Yes, it is a different deck.  I would not suggest that a waterbow be turned into a grabbow even though a grabbow would probably be better in most circumstances.  A change from deathstalkers to dunes is borderline significant for me. 
3) I'm not sure if it makes it better.  Faster and better quanta balance, sure.  I don't see how this is relevant to what I was saying though.
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I am arrogant because I am The BestTM Elements player that there has ever been or ever will be, even better than zanz himself and all of the forum members put together! 
I do not see why you think this.
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Such thinking is impossible and heretical!  A deck with a single graboid in it cannot exist as it violates the metaphysical laws of Elements, and the same is true of Dune Scorpions.


I have not been saying that adding dune scorpions to this deck would make it worse, or cause the end of humanity, or that because I wouldn't suggest doing so no one else can.  I have simply been defending why I did not suggest them as per Chapuz's question.  My apologies if any of what I have said has been misconstrued by others. 

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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1000297#msg1000297
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2012, 02:52:37 am »
How about we recast the question:
What's wrong with this deck?
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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002109#msg1002109
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 04:00:52 pm »
Ok you are really ticking me off with these posts here.

I just realized that the original poster never even posted again. That makes the argument kind of pointless. Let HIM/HER make up his own mind!

Good point TribalTrouble. Sorry if I contributed.

LOOOOOOL, I didn't even notice that until i read your post. And I was already having a great time reading this argument since cheesy just makes no sense haha. Especially since he posted '-6 Blessing, -1 Ball Lightning, -1 Deathstalker, -1 Unstoppable, +5 Chaos Power, -2 Amethyst Tower, +4 Death Pendulums.' I'd consider - 6 blessing + 5 chaos power just as much as a change in deck than - deathstalkers + dunes. Then the fact that it's not even his deck he's arguing for makes it even funnier! How hilarious :) Day made, thank you :D:D:D

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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002210#msg1002210
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 11:04:19 pm »
i got a name: unstoppable stalkers :P

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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002212#msg1002212
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 11:11:21 pm »
Ok you are really ticking me off with these posts here.

I just realized that the original poster never even posted again. That makes the argument kind of pointless. Let HIM/HER make up his own mind!

Good point TribalTrouble. Sorry if I contributed.

LOOOOOOL, I didn't even notice that until i read your post. And I was already having a great time reading this argument since cheesy just makes no sense haha. Especially since he posted '-6 Blessing, -1 Ball Lightning, -1 Deathstalker, -1 Unstoppable, +5 Chaos Power, -2 Amethyst Tower, +4 Death Pendulums.' I'd consider - 6 blessing + 5 chaos power just as much as a change in deck than - deathstalkers + dunes. Then the fact that it's not even his deck he's arguing for makes it even funnier! How hilarious :) Day made, thank you :D:D:D

Well, I think Cheesy's point was that one should stick with the "theme" of the deck. In this case, it's buffing deathstalkers and BLs, for fast poison and a relatively cheap damage source. His changes do fit his argument, since it still sticks with the "theme", while adding Dunes would stray from it.

If I wanted to stick with the "theme", like Cheesy says, I would probably make similar changes. However, I do believe that adding a dune or two may make the deck more effective overall.

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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002249#msg1002249
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 01:47:58 am »
i got a name: unstoppable stalkers :P

I find that to be a wonderful name. You should change it to that!
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Re: Unstokkers OR Unstokkers vs. BlessBalls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002252#msg1002252
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 01:55:58 am »
Surprisingly, this is the first time I've gotten to see this thread. You, sir, have made a truly ingenious deck. However, do you ever find yourself low on Light quanta? You may want to replace those Amethyst Towers for Light Towers (or even RoLs) if you are, without upsetting your counter to the mulligan.

And, on the topic of the name of this deck, see the topic of this post. I know, they're stupid. :)
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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1002532#msg1002532
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2012, 02:46:47 am »
It looks good, but I'm worried about the opening hand. If you don't draw an SN, you're screwed. To solve that, maybe take everything down to a 5 card copy ratio instead of 6. That will give you some room to work with.
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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1003366#msg1003366
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2012, 05:24:07 am »
maybe take everything down to a 5 card copy ratio instead of 6. That will give you some room to work with.
I was just thinking the same.
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Re: The blessed and the unstoppable (I'm really bad at coming up with names) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43464.msg1003395#msg1003395
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2012, 01:03:08 pm »
What about trying novas instead of SN? So something like this

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or to ensure you get a nova remove the rest of the BL's

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