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Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1057928#msg1057928
« on: April 07, 2013, 01:24:29 pm »
This started with me wondering if I could make a deck that could easily counter air's sofree. I made a 60 card deck with tons of CC and quanta pillars/towers. Then I had an idea to make the mark aether and have Mind Gates. Then I tested for a few hours in arena, with every win being an EM, and eventually added the single Sundial and the 2 Hourglasses. Sundial can cause EM's if played tactfully. The only decks to have countered this were Aether centered decks,(how ironic...)Gravy, and rushes that hit me before I could play any key cards(rare).

Fortunately, the few games this deck loses are always short. The longer the game draws on the higher your chances of EM'ing. EM's in 13-22 turns usually.

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Plat Win Rate: 85-45

Honestly, I still have no idea why this works as well as it does. Just... don't ask.

Mono Darks cause hilarious games where you easily overwhelm their creature production, and can Steal/Mindgate so many SoV that they can't do anything to stop you.
SoP/RoL type decks watch as their SoP is stolen, and their creatures enter a Storm and are Mindgated.
Divine Glory? Meet your Miracle... as I Mind Gate over 6 copies of it!
Can't deal damage to a deck, or they have too many Miracles? Pulverize their pillars and pendulums one at a time until they are forced to drain all their quanta with Miracle and get destroyed by their own power. Also, make sure to use Hourglass moderately for deckouts(very rarely needed).

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dat quanta.
And a Time Deck in Arena! :)
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And a SoB Owl's Eyes Rush in Plat!
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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1057958#msg1057958
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 03:33:53 pm »
Tribal Trouble,

On why this would work: The Deck Size allows for the longer game in which at Plat unless you have a deck that just so happens to counter the other deck or you get lucky and a deck gets stuck you can't win.  The problem with most mind gate decks is it takes a while to counter, most people think being aethar to use a stall with dims or dials, instead you use CC and Heal to by your time, which means all the PC in the Plat decks goes to waste or is countered, which is the wiser choice for anti-plat.

The upped air nymph is hard to come by, so this isn't for everyone.

I'll try it, it's got a long TTW, but if it can do back to backs, it makes it worth it.
It reminds me of a deck I used to play against arena before the OP shards got in everyone's hands.
I enjoy decks that are not the standard 30 card rush/stall. 

I also enjoy trying out decks I don't have all the upped cards for and see if that work well enough only half upped and see how the game changes as I up them along the way.  I'm missing about half the ups required here, this is what I'll start with:

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Sadly it's getting out rushed by any mono, other rainbows don't stand much chance, but monos and duos are crushing this at plat levels...  perhaps fully upped it would yield better, but it does better with half a dozen less quantum towers and deck pull...  if you don't mind, I'll take some of the concepts behind this and reapply.
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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1057989#msg1057989
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 05:40:38 pm »
Do you think this would work half-upped against gold or something? And if I have no Air Nymph, what should I put instead?

I tried this in trainer against Half-bloods. Long games, but really fun and I didn't lose a single game.

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1057997#msg1057997
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2013, 06:23:03 pm »
Fippe, the biggest thing, would be upped quanta towers, that's the biggest problem I'm having playing with this thing, is only have 16 upped quantum towers and needing 24. 

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058045#msg1058045
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2013, 09:48:39 pm »
Yeah this should Devour most Half Bloods, especially since Aether decks won't be as focused as ones found in arena.

Also, the Quantum Towers do play a huge role. Running it with the 16 upped and 10 unupped is not going to give good draws/quanta usually.

edit: Ghostmare hardcounters this if you can't get an early Sanctuary. Mindgating Ghosts after being mared gives the worst feeling in the world.
edit2: Or just Mindgate a Nightmare and Nightmare lock him to death > : D
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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058227#msg1058227
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 07:40:30 pm »
Too bad the games take so long. It works really well.
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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058236#msg1058236
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 08:34:34 pm »
Too bad the games take so long. It works really well.
Yeah.

My analysis of Delusion(I am exploring the limits of this myself. Just was amazed at how it didn't lose in the first 6 or so games vs plat) so far is that it compensates for the extreme lack of speed and damage
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Air Nymph + Mindgates are the only things likely to have the potential to kill, and the 2 hourglass need to be discarded or become unused later on due to the need to deckout in quite a few games.
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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058471#msg1058471
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 05:44:04 pm »
I put pretty much this version in the plat arena (removing five pillars for Fallen Druid given from Oracle and no Nymph and Lightning Storm. 2 Elite Queens instead).
It has less ups. However, stats after one day are 6 to 1.
Apparently with pretty good rating (currently 8). Considering that a loss gives -40 there must have been at least 4 thumbs up?

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058502#msg1058502
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 08:14:26 pm »
I'm glad you liked it! I have had lots of fun beating arena... imagine if I face that version while I'm farming... :o

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058522#msg1058522
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 09:10:14 pm »
I'm glad you liked it! I have had lots of fun beating arena... imagine if I face that version while I'm farming... :o

Haha, that would be fun indeed ^^ Ingame name is Camartus. Btw, stats now are 7/1 ;)

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058741#msg1058741
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 03:54:24 pm »
I'm not sure how you achive so good stats with this deck. I just played like 10 fights and won 1. Most enemies kill me before I can start copying their deck. I have no quanta to defend myself. At first when I made this deck it was awsome, I won few fights, but then started to lose nearly all of them. Maybe got some tips for me?

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Re: Delusion [Upped] [Plat EM] [No Shards] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48296.msg1058744#msg1058744
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 04:13:16 pm »
is there any reason for this deck to have 60 cards in it? Wouldn't it  be better to make a slim version of it with less cards in it?
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