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Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063736#msg1063736
« on: April 25, 2013, 04:53:53 pm »
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So, here is my deck. Works as a rush as well can manage for multiple situations. The sundials are there for development incase you need (plus sundials just rock :P)

I need any tips/advice you may see is wrong with it please.

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063746#msg1063746
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 05:15:50 pm »
That's pretty solid right where it is tbh.

Possible changes:
-Swap sundials for unupped sundials. You're really light on time quanta usage right now, and this'll keep them from interfering with the mulligan.
-Remove one death card and one gravity card. You're really heavy on quanta usage in both of those elements right now. I would probably personally choose to remove flesh recluse and black hole, but either option is fine.
-Swap out steam machine maybe - replace with ulthiarid, abyss crawler, or whatever other option you'd like. You're quite heavy on fire quanta use, but late game that'll be mitigated by elite fireflies.
-If you do remove any of the various things I've suggested to remove, you're light on quanta usage for light (kinda, depending on how much you use sundials), time (even if you swap to unupped sundials), darkness, and to some extent aether, so you could do any of swapping sanctuary for archangel/crusader, adding an hourglass (though I wouldn't do this and swap to unupped sundials), adding a second steal, adding a silence/thunderbolt.
-You can also add an extra graboid. This'll strain your earth quanta a bit, but it's worth it even if you only play one of them just cause you'll draw one faster.
-If you find yourself tight on entropy quanta, you can swap the maxwell's for a lycan or an additional SoSe.

edit: The more I think about it, the more I feel like retracting my statement about being light on light quanta usage, so probably don't swap the sanctuary out for something more cost-intensive.

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063749#msg1063749
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 05:23:37 pm »
Ok thanks.

Now, why make sundials unupped? (curious) because I don't see the good of using time quanta if I don't need to.

Yeah: I see your point on the steam machine...the only issue I have is that he is the 'tank' of the deck. Can be the powerhouse of damage and tank a much of damage. If I replace with other water cards, I feel like I am trading damage for more card effects which I don't feel like I need more of.

-Any more thoughts/help?

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063763#msg1063763
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 05:53:47 pm »
Now, why make sundials unupped? (curious) because I don't see the good of using time quanta if I don't need to.

There's an automatic (and undisplayed) one-time mulligan at the beginning of each game wherein you get a new hand if your first-dealt hand contains no zero-cost cards. Upped sundials are zero-cost, and so if your first-dealt hand contains one sundial and zero QTs, you keep your first-dealt hand. Unupped sundials are one-cost, so if your first-dealt hand contains one unupped sundial and zero QTs, you get a second-dealt hand.

With regards to steam machine, you can certainly keep it, but if you do, I'd recommend trying to ease your fire quanta usage in some other way. For example, you could remove the lava golem and replace it with explosion(s) or more SoBs or whatever you'd like. This'd also free up earth quanta to make a second graboid much easier to pay for.
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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063766#msg1063766
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 05:59:17 pm »
SoBra and Black Hole aren't really good in this deck, changing those for more stuff is better, as for example, Graboid and SoSe.

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063767#msg1063767
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 05:59:17 pm »
he's suggesting using unupped dials because the game has an in built mechanism called the mulligan the will reshuffle your hand once, if you have no 0 cost cards in the starting its to raise the odds of having quanta at the start but any zero cost card will mean your hand isn't reshuffled so unupped dials raise the odds of having no towers in your first hand and as your not using time quanta you will still be able to easily play them. I personally would swap out the queen for either a couple of shockwave or a couple of thunderstorms, replace the steamy for either abyss crawler or toadfish, i would also drop the bh as without discord it is nowhere near as effective and oty puts a lot of strain on gravity quanta, the maxwell i would replace with a lycan or another sose, i would drop the flesh recluse as bone wall is more valuable, add another grabbie if you can they make very big hitters for cheap, i would swap the sobe for a deflag.
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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063771#msg1063771
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 06:02:37 pm »
he's suggesting using unupped dials because the game has an in built mechanism called the mulligan the will reshuffle your hand once, if you have no 0 cost cards in the starting its to raise the odds of having quanta at the start but any zero cost card will mean your hand isn't reshuffled so unupped dials raise the odds of having no towers in your first hand and as your not using time quanta you will still be able to easily play them. I personally would swap out the queen for either a couple of shockwave or a couple of thunderstorms, replace the steamy for either abyss crawler or toadfish, i would also drop the bh as without discord it is nowhere near as effective and oty puts a lot of strain on gravity quanta, the maxwell i would replace with a lycan or another sose, i would drop the flesh recluse as bone wall is more valuable, add another grabbie if you can they make very big hitters for cheap, i would swap the sobe for a deflag.

sobe and deflag? Not too familiar with those terms.

the rest of your post: thanks for the help

Now, why make sundials unupped? (curious) because I don't see the good of using time quanta if I don't need to.

There's an automatic (and undisplayed) one-time mulligan at the beginning of each game wherein you get a new hand if your first-dealt hand contains no zero-cost cards. Upped sundials are zero-cost, and so if your first-dealt hand contains one sundial and zero QTs, you keep your first-dealt hand. Unupped sundials are one-cost, so if your first-dealt hand contains one unupped sundial and zero QTs, you get a second-dealt hand.

With regards to steam machine, you can certainly keep it, but if you do, I'd recommend trying to ease your fire quanta usage in some other way. For example, you could remove the lava golem and replace it with explosion(s) or more SoBs or whatever you'd like. This'd also free up earth quanta to make a second graboid much easier to pay for.

Ok cool. Thanks.

I had no idea about the dealt hand thing. I'll test it out. Thanks
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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063774#msg1063774
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2013, 06:05:53 pm »
he's suggesting using unupped dials because the game has an in built mechanism called the mulligan the will reshuffle your hand once, if you have no 0 cost cards in the starting its to raise the odds of having quanta at the start but any zero cost card will mean your hand isn't reshuffled so unupped dials raise the odds of having no towers in your first hand and as your not using time quanta you will still be able to easily play them. I personally would swap out the queen for either a couple of shockwave or a couple of thunderstorms, replace the steamy for either abyss crawler or toadfish, i would also drop the bh as without discord it is nowhere near as effective and oty puts a lot of strain on gravity quanta, the maxwell i would replace with a lycan or another sose, i would drop the flesh recluse as bone wall is more valuable, add another grabbie if you can they make very big hitters for cheap, i would swap the sobe for a deflag.

sobe and deflag? Not too familiar with those terms.

the rest of your post: thanks for the help

SoBe = very popular (for some reason) misspelling of the more accurate abbreviation SoBr/SoB (shard of bravery)
Deflag = deflagration (unupped explosion)

edit: to clarify, he didn't mean use an unupped deflagration, but people tend to refer to their cards by their upped/unupped names pretty interchangeably a lot of the time.

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063776#msg1063776
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2013, 06:11:56 pm »
Alright, thanks for the help guys.

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Re: Speed Bow/rainbow/need advice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48748.msg1063802#msg1063802
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2013, 07:25:58 pm »


SoBe = very popular (for some reason) misspelling of the more accurate abbreviation SoBr/SoB (shard of bravery)

It's popular because zanz stated that he preferred that it be used.

 

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