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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147208#msg147208
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2010, 05:17:11 am »
For facing T50, maybe you could try adding wings? They shut down life rush, shrieker rush, golem rush, and most other speed rainbows. The three recluses can also web any creatures, so it's basically five extra turns against any deck without control. It won't be as fast, but it'll have a higher win rate. The only auto-quit would be mono aether I think, and there are hardly any of those.
Fully upped it should be able to run down a shrieker rush, a life rush and other speedbows on a semi regular basis.

I am working on a T50 EM version that will likely pack some Wings.
Yeah, I forgot to mention, it owns shrieker rush (even the one with stone skins), and kills mostly all speedbows (except the ones that drop early otyughs).

I will gladly await the t50 version of this deck, and wings seems like it's the only thing that would make this deck unstoppable in terms of t50 farming. I would even consider adding 2 wings, it's that good for the deck. Especially packing 3 spiders.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147233#msg147233
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2010, 08:15:00 am »
Yeah, I forgot to mention, it owns shrieker rush (even the one with stone skins), and kills mostly all speedbows (except the ones that drop early otyughs).

I will gladly await the t50 version of this deck, and wings seems like it's the only thing that would make this deck unstoppable in terms of t50 farming. I would even consider adding 2 wings, it's that good for the deck. Especially packing 3 spiders.
The beauty of this deck is its speed and constant drawing of hard hitting critters.  In tesing for another version, I found that removing even of few of the critters really slows the deck.  For t50 a made a completely different version here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11831.0.html)

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147238#msg147238
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2010, 08:37:26 am »
I finally tested 50 games on my latest variation of the deck:
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6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7ds 7ds 7gm 7k1 7n6 7q5 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7tf 80gThe stats:
Games: 50
Wins: 47
Losses: 3 (All 3 losses were simply games where I started with 0 pendelums. With this deck, it is crucial to start with them and imo its worth losing 10 points to just quit immediately if you start with none. I have tried it with 5 pendelums rather than 4, but didnt seem to help much, and drawing them after first turn is basically entirely useless.)
Average time per win: 74.2 Seconds
Average clicks per win: 18.9
Average turns per win: 5.38
I see you used the stat tool :)

I'll have to test this deck when I get the electum to upgrade a few entropy pendalums.  I have a feeling over the course of a whole series that this deck will slow down a bit and will probably have 10+ losses.  It looks unstable, but from your stats, it has the potential to be the new fastest build in the game.  I'll have to test it a bit, but I still think 5 pendalums would be better in th long run.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147239#msg147239
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2010, 08:46:36 am »
I tested that build a little, jmdt, and yes, bad draws are an insta-loss and do occur occasionally. But when it works, boy does it work... super fast.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147311#msg147311
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2010, 02:49:48 pm »
I tested that build a little, jmdt, and yes, bad draws are an insta-loss and do occur occasionally. But when it works, boy does it work... super fast.
I guess I'll have to fish out some electrum and buy some entropy pendalums to try this.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147324#msg147324
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2010, 03:09:13 pm »
I finally tested 50 games on my latest variation of the deck:
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6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7ds 7ds 7gm 7k1 7n6 7q5 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7tf 80gThe stats:
Games: 50
Wins: 47
Losses: 3 (All 3 losses were simply games where I started with 0 pendelums. With this deck, it is crucial to start with them and imo its worth losing 10 points to just quit immediately if you start with none. I have tried it with 5 pendelums rather than 4, but didnt seem to help much, and drawing them after first turn is basically entirely useless.)
Average time per win: 74.2 Seconds
Average clicks per win: 18.9
Average turns per win: 5.38
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the for unknown cards are Entropy Pendulums right?

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147331#msg147331
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2010, 03:24:06 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the for unknown cards are Entropy Pendulums right?
That is correct.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147337#msg147337
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2010, 03:32:44 pm »
I looked for 'stat tool' in the forum search engine and 'elements stat tool' into google without getting any pertient result.

Could you please give me a link to what seems to be very interesting ^^

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147343#msg147343
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2010, 03:52:59 pm »
I looked for 'stat tool' in the forum search engine and 'elements stat tool' into google without getting any pertient result.

Could you please give me a link to what seems to be very interesting ^^
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=pages;sa=5

I 'believe' this is what you are looking for. It's under the Resources-Elemental statistics tab just below the forum header.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147344#msg147344
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2010, 03:56:19 pm »
I looked for 'stat tool' in the forum search engine and 'elements stat tool' into google without getting any pertient result.

Could you please give me a link to what seems to be very interesting ^^
This stat tool is a secondary program that very few people have access too and I would like to keep it that way.

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147351#msg147351
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2010, 04:13:25 pm »
This stat tool is a secondary program that very few people have access too and I would like to keep it that way.
Why is this, exactly?

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Re: Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11757.msg147550#msg147550
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2010, 10:10:02 pm »
I finally tested 50 games on my latest variation of the deck:
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6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 713 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7ds 7ds 7gm 7k1 7n6 7q5 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7tf 80gThe stats:
Games: 50
Wins: 47
Losses: 3 (All 3 losses were simply games where I started with 0 pendelums. With this deck, it is crucial to start with them and imo its worth losing 10 points to just quit immediately if you start with none. I have tried it with 5 pendelums rather than 4, but didnt seem to help much, and drawing them after first turn is basically entirely useless.)
Average time per win: 74.2 Seconds
Average clicks per win: 18.9
Average turns per win: 5.38
I was curious about this deck as it seemed both different and fast, but in my independent testing, I came up with the following results.

Tests were run against Elder, total games played were 50 and skipped all spins.

Win/Loss: 49-1
TTW: 6.347
Time played: 70 minutes (1 minute 25 seconds per win average
Electrum / Score: 887 / 877
2 Fourth turn wins
2 EMs

Notes:

- A lot of games suffered from bad opening hands that drew the game into the 6th-8th  rounds.

- Rewind on a evolved shreiker means a virtually guaranteed assurance of never recasting it.

- Only a few times did the deck stall getting the 2nd and 3rd Supernova required to play all spells. 6  cards need at least 2 supernovas and 4 cards need at least 3 or more, so it is possible to have dead draws until drawing into a Supernova. I only make this point because supernova is the driving engine of this deck, with no other way to play those cards. It is then crucial to draw into 2 supernovas or this deck will be stalled.

- When this deck trips out, it trips out fast. I certainly saw a few times where it exploded onto the scene with a swarm of creatures. However, the reverse was also true and it had equally weak draws and poor opening hands. It's inconsistency is enough to be scary, though in PvP it will work fast and brutal enough. For grinding, though it is fast, the inconsistency makes it not a viable option.

 

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