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Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1110560#msg1110560
« on: November 20, 2013, 01:09:16 am »
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This deck is literately a give and take. Give the opponent damage, take their quantum. Absolutely decimate there creatures with everything in your arsenal! Use blood suckers as epinephrine targets too. There awfully fragile, so protect them under your invisibility cloak (Harry Potter series)! The blood suckers can kill any creature that doesnt have to die immediately. Also congeals can help both parts of the deck by stalling the poisoned creatures or help automatically kill creatures using the bio-freeze combo. (Made the name up, freeze shockwave combo of course.) Have fun killing those non-immortal shard golems instantly!  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ?_? ::) :P  :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( :chroma :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :darkness :darkness :darkness :aether :underworld :rainbow :electrum
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1110707#msg1110707
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 07:24:26 am »
Without two novas, you won't be able to do much. That makes this deck pretty fragile. Also, you try many differnet things at once with this deck, which makes this deck even more fragile because you don't have many copies of each card and for each strategy:

Pest+Epi for quantastall, Bloodsucker+Epi for damage, Arctic Octopus+Shockwave for CC, Bloodsucker for CC, ...

Further, you are awfully low on darkness quanta for quite some time, which will leave many openings for your opponent. Further, you can only stall effectively with pest+epi, but you need epi for bloodsuckers too or you won't do enough damage. with only three epis, and that quanta balance it isn't even likely that you can play two of them.

Further arcitc octopus needs much water quanta, which this deck can't even provide. Even some simple congeals would be better.



Only valueable advice I can give you is to stick with a mono/duo or trio deck if you are so quanta-heavy on single elements, and to stick with one or two strategies so that you can add more copies of single cards.

If you want to get a better chance (probably) you may want to try 6 supernovas in this deck, as well as 4-5 entropy pendulums (remove 2 sundials?, one cloak, one bloodsucker, probably add some flesh recluse in exchange for something else to get more damage)
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1110845#msg1110845
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 10:57:27 pm »
Have you tried the deck? I have plenty of darkness if using pest over anything else. Rush using parasite epi. It is fragile, thats why there are 4 cloaks. And a crap ton of CC to make sure I can stall effectivly until the bloodsuckers kill the opponent. Which this deck usually wins in 8-10 turns. I have been debating congeal though over squids. Your only suppose to play 1 even if you draw both. The sundials are unupped so the mulligan gives me at least 1 nova. Use sundial and draw with that to try and get a 2nd nova.
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1110901#msg1110901
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 01:17:43 am »
Any chance you would be able to make an unupped version?

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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1110970#msg1110970
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 07:32:44 am »
Have you tried the deck? I have plenty of darkness if using pest over anything else. Rush using parasite epi. It is fragile, thats why there are 4 cloaks. And a crap ton of CC to make sure I can stall effectivly until the bloodsuckers kill the opponent. Which this deck usually wins in 8-10 turns. I have been debating congeal though over squids. Your only suppose to play 1 even if you draw both. The sundials are unupped so the mulligan gives me at least 1 nova. Use sundial and draw with that to try and get a 2nd nova.

I have tried the deck now in trainer, and nothing happened that would have changed my mind. if you don't draw two novas in time, you are doomed. And if you need 2 card to start a strategy, and have 5 in your deck, even with mulligan advantage that will fail quite often.

I said lack of darkness quanta for "quite some time" means you need two novas, then a single pest, and then 2 more turns to get enough darkness quanta for the next darkness card (or even three if you want to play cloak next). Most trio decks are faster.

About squid, you need 5 quanta for him to play him and activate the ability ONCE. that 5 quanta won't come up fast. And you won't have any chance of a second congeal with the squid, even if you get three novas and a supernova for the first congeal.

And this is an upped deck. If you can't beat at least AI3 without troubles with this deck, then it is too inconsistent/weak or whatever (at least for my taste) (And even if you draw the precious two novas for your deck, it still has troubles against AI3 quite often)
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111033#msg1111033
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 04:42:22 pm »
Have you tried the deck? I have plenty of darkness if using pest over anything else. Rush using parasite epi. It is fragile, thats why there are 4 cloaks. And a crap ton of CC to make sure I can stall effectivly until the bloodsuckers kill the opponent. Which this deck usually wins in 8-10 turns. I have been debating congeal though over squids. Your only suppose to play 1 even if you draw both. The sundials are unupped so the mulligan gives me at least 1 nova. Use sundial and draw with that to try and get a 2nd nova.

I have tried the deck now in trainer, and nothing happened that would have changed my mind. if you don't draw two novas in time, you are doomed. And if you need 2 card to start a strategy, and have 5 in your deck, even with mulligan advantage that will fail quite often.

I said lack of darkness quanta for "quite some time" means you need two novas, then a single pest, and then 2 more turns to get enough darkness quanta for the next darkness card (or even three if you want to play cloak next). Most trio decks are faster.

About squid, you need 5 quanta for him to play him and activate the ability ONCE. that 5 quanta won't come up fast. And you won't have any chance of a second congeal with the squid, even if you get three novas and a supernova for the first congeal.

And this is an upped deck. If you can't beat at least AI3 without troubles with this deck, then it is too inconsistent/weak or whatever (at least for my taste) (And even if you draw the precious two novas for your deck, it still has troubles against AI3 quite often)

On the subject of dark quanta, worth noting that an epi'd pest helps that early part a lot. However, I see absolutely no reason to have a death mark rather than a dark mark, and a dark mark would go a long ways to fixing the dark quanta problems. 7 maximum slowly-obtained death quanta is probably plenty to fuel whatever infecting you want to do. Regarding the squids, just swapping them out for congeals would solve the need-an-absurd-amount-of-quanta problem.

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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111098#msg1111098
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 11:29:42 pm »
 :o I was killing ai4 quite often... But thank you for your suggestions. Ill put them in right away. Trios probably are faster, but the decks goal is to jam pack CC and make bloodsuckers useful. Also if your thinking a trio vs this deck would win, very slight. Theres too much cc AND pests can cause a big problem for trios without nova/imolation/QT
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111157#msg1111157
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2013, 07:41:43 am »
:o I was killing ai4 quite often... But thank you for your suggestions. Ill put them in right away. Trios probably are faster, but the decks goal is to jam pack CC and make bloodsuckers useful. Also if your thinking a trio vs this deck would win, very slight. Theres too much cc AND pests can cause a big problem for trios without nova/imolation/QT

If I would build an upped trio, one or two pests wouldn't hurt it much because they use generally a bit more quanta then monos/duos so that it is more likely to have enough of every sort of quanta.

If you would build a mindless trio right now, of course it will lose.
If I build a trio right now, of coure it would win (because I would more or less look for a trio to counter your deck.)
--> non is very objektive

(That aside, I don't even know how you would call 2 congeals, 3 shockwaves and 5 bloodsuckers a lot of CC. 7x soft and 3x normal CC isn't that much... With a Fire storm, 3 Thunderstorms and a Thunderbolt I nearly have as much CC in a rainbow rush deck.)


But enough crying about your post, I just recognized that you may want 2-3 quicksands, and (probably) some thunderbolts may be worth a try as well. (I would probably try to remove a pest, or a cloak, ... Probably even remove the shockwaves+congeals, to add two fog shields, thunderbolts and stuff.)
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111241#msg1111241
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 10:15:23 pm »
...Ok from now on this is a fun deck. You can think of this as the skeleton and modify it at will. (Freeze and shockwave is an instant kill remember. Also poison stacks. Freeze and poison automatically does 4 damage to that creature. Poison makes up for where congeals are weak when enemy uses adrenalin so you can always be sure that the enemy will be frozen for 4 turns. Thats why I say heavy CC. But I would change 1 cloak to a nightmare.)
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111245#msg1111245
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2013, 10:23:57 pm »
Any chance you would be able to make an unupped version?
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The whole adrenalin factor changes the parasites to vampires. And the shockwaves to fog shields. (Healing and 40% chance to miss isnt too bad. Especially when they have ot get past cloak first.) I have less cloaks cause if your doing unupped then your probably vsing something with less PC. (Ex. not too many sofo's in pvp1 or at all in ai3. Little in bronze but that would be the most common I would think. Steal is the one card I wasnt too sure about. 3 novas and 1 deflag to use deflag or 1 extra quantum to use steal. :/ Or if it should just be another nightmare/cloak.)
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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111266#msg1111266
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 12:04:34 am »
Cool, thanks Branden! :)
I think it might be better to keep the Steal but why exactly is Nightmare there instead of another Vampire or Devourer or even a Nightfall?

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Re: Being a parasite! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52442.msg1111372#msg1111372
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2013, 06:01:45 pm »
Fml. The nightmare is sappose to be a nightfall. And I think maybe a pillar or vamp or devourer could be exchanged for another nightfall
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