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finkel

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg71762#msg71762
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2010, 02:06:45 pm »
I played something similar to this, but a mono-aether with 5 Pu's, 5 Lightnings, 5 dim shields, and 15 pillars. Beat a LOT of AI5s with that. Copy their creature, then kill the original. When your opponent gets too much attack up, start chainin' dim shields. I played somebody with a rainbow dragon deck in pvp1 with this deck...at the end I had 4 dragons, and he had 1. The rainbow version I made was somewhat similar to this, but I hadn't thought of using precogs (nice twist).

I think I'll try this type of deck again sometime.

xdawnbydeath

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg71815#msg71815
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2010, 03:35:25 pm »
I don't think that this is the type of deck for that. I think it's a straight-up hitter, not a super-control deck. We want ourselves to be fast, not the enemy to be slow...well at least not too slow.
This deck is about taking the opponents own cards and using them against them.  Which fits the theme of rewind.

abysswalker

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg71966#msg71966
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2010, 08:54:09 pm »

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This deck is about taking the opponents own cards and using them against them.  Which fits the theme of rewind.
I guess, but rewinds would further hamper quantum production. It may not seems like a lot, but it's USING quantum and also taking the place where a quantum generator could have.


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Well, you are right about the fact that there are a lot of Steals. I was actually quite surprised to see that I used 15 :darkness is a deck like this. That seems too high, at least in theory.

I should probably go with 4 Steal which is more balanced and take an extra Explosion or something.

Fog Shield would be great but that would unfortunately kill the theme of not having any creatures, shields, weapons... wait.. I do have weapon. That's not good.

Back to the drawing board.

The discord there is a good weapon for this deck :P. It delays most deck, so you have more time to produce quantum and set up.

I think with the explosion, you're messing with the basic underlying element of the deck: producing enough quantum to fractal and use an opponent's card against them. I suggest maybe a healing or delay card, to give you more time. I've noticed while playing this deck my health becomes an issue, and I'm forced to fractal a card I'd rather not.

xdawnbydeath

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72036#msg72036
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2010, 10:41:41 pm »

I guess, but rewinds would further hamper quantum production. It may not seems like a lot, but it's USING quantum and also taking the place where a quantum generator could have.


Correct me if I am wrong, but they use no more quanta then the precogs.

abysswalker

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72044#msg72044
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2010, 10:49:59 pm »
They don't have the drawing ability, though!

You can't look at their hands, either

Meonius

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72844#msg72844
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2010, 06:23:42 am »
I ran across a RoL+Hope deck in T50 while using the trainer; I lost horribly. I was wondering if adding a Lightning Storm to kill all of the RoLs would be effective. In the particular game I played I would have won in one hit if I could have destroyed all of the RoLs.

I also lost a game due to a silly weakness of the deck. If your opponent has a larger deck than you, and they play no creatures you'll deck out. I suspect this won't happen often, but I felt it was interesting enough to mention.

abysswalker

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72853#msg72853
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2010, 08:45:17 am »
Meon...thunderstorms are almost worthless. Really, it's a poor duplicate of RoF, and almost useless. If you want some creature control throw in a few cheap spells.

Meonius

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72855#msg72855
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2010, 09:03:31 am »
The deck already has "cheap spells" though. I was looking for a counter to RoL+Hope; single-target spells won't cut it. I only mentioned Lightning Storm due to its low cost compared to RoF (or Fire Storm). Esp considering you only need to deal 1 damage to destroy all of the RoLs.

I don't see this deck winning against RoL+Hope often, because the mechanic is to copy enemy creatures. If the enemy has a field full of RoL with Hope out you're never going to deal damage unless you can clear their field. I completely understand that Lightning Storm is a weak card in general, but it would be added for the very specific purpose of countering RoL+Hope. I suppose that by the time you'd need to use it you could throw out a Fire Storm, and it would be more versatile. If you have any better ideas as to how I could get around a RoL+Hope deck I'm all ears.

Scaredgirl

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72860#msg72860
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2010, 09:43:58 am »
The deck already has "cheap spells" though. I was looking for a counter to RoL+Hope; single-target spells won't cut it. I only mentioned Lightning Storm due to its low cost compared to RoF (or Fire Storm). Esp considering you only need to deal 1 damage to destroy all of the RoLs.

I don't see this deck winning against RoL+Hope often, because the mechanic is to copy enemy creatures. If the enemy has a field full of RoL with Hope out you're never going to deal damage unless you can clear their field. I completely understand that Lightning Storm is a weak card in general, but it would be added for the very specific purpose of countering RoL+Hope. I suppose that by the time you'd need to use it you could throw out a Fire Storm, and it would be more versatile. If you have any better ideas as to how I could get around a RoL+Hope deck I'm all ears.
You are not using :death so Plague is always an option.

unionruler

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg72942#msg72942
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2010, 03:00:20 pm »
I wonder if it's more irritating to lose to this deck or to rage quit  ;D

abysswalker

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg73002#msg73002
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2010, 05:25:18 pm »
Meon, really, there's no point in adding cards for a single type of deck. If a card is useless against all other decks, then you probably shouldn't add it. Like SG pointed out, plague is a good choice...useful against most decks. Your reasoning is fine...single spells WON'T cut it, but you went for one of the worst cards in the game. I also think you're too fixated on a single deck. You need a broader view.

Meonius

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Re: Adaptation aka Frack You! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5818.msg73302#msg73302
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2010, 03:10:44 am »
Abyss, you sound very hostile to me. I have no intention of starting an argument, but it seems you're fixated on me asking a question about a card. I'm more than willing to admit that I'm new here, and don't know what all of the cards are. However, I see no reason for that to cause your reaction. Also, asking a simple question has little to do with my focus. The deck already covers most of its bases; I was looking for a way to fine-tune it to cover even more. It's very clear that your opinion is that adding the card is not worth it; why didn't you just say that? So as not to continue with off-topic chatter I won't be responding to any replies to this message in this thread.

Scaredgirl, thank you for the suggestion. As I mentioned above, I'm not familiar with all of the cards yet. Plague happened to be one of them, but after looking at it it is certainly more versatile.

 

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