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1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388775#msg388775
« on: September 04, 2011, 05:26:11 am »
NOTE: AT THE MOMENT, IT APPEARS THIS DECK ISN'T WORKING. SO DON'T USE IT IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TRAINER. IF YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY USE A TIMEBOW, TRY CAN HAZ MOAR DRAWZ AGAIN, MAYBE REPLACING AN SOG OR TWO WITH A SANCTUARY (NOT SURE IF THAT DECK STILL WORKS).

Hi. So, I was browsing the new cards and ran across "Sanctuary." The first part was all well and good, but the second part - healing 4 hp - was what really caught my eye. I immediately thought of how good it could possibly be in a FG rainbow, and thus I made this baby.

I tried it against 5 False Gods - Jezebel, Morte, Destiny, Ferox, and Paradox. It won all 5 (granted, easy gods).

Please note that this deck focuses on maximizing winning percentage while still winning in a relatively nice amount of time. With the occasional really long game. At least, that's what I was thinking when I planned this deck. Whether or not that high winning percentage actually materializes remains to be seen, but I think it has promise.

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Right now, since this is just a beta (and may never go OUT of beta, depending on how much time I have), I'm not going to go all in depth with strategy. It's your basic FG rainbow; if you know how to use any of the old-style (not CCYB) ones you should know how to play this. Later on, once some real stats come, and some tweaks are likely made, I might do that. Right now I'll just highlight the new and different cards as well as style choices people always ask about with my decks. And I'll do it in a fun and sassy way!

Come on, why is that boneyard unupped? Seriously? USE GRAVEYARD IT GIVES +1/+1!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, but it costs two more. While that extra two cost really shouldn't usually make a difference, there are times it can. And since you're really only using the skeletons for rewinding (well, that is, rewinding mutants made from skellys) and mutating and drawing fire, why does it actually NEED to be upped? It's more of a personal preference thing; up away if you so desire.

Okay. Fine. So what's up with Sanctuary?
It's basically a SoG that also protects against quanta depleting gods like Decay and Dark Matter. Since the deck doesn't use any light other than them, why not? SoGs are still there for extra healing and the SoGs can normally be played earlier.

Are you really banking on only a SINGLE druid? You must suck at this game.
Yes. Honestly you don't need to mutate enemy creatures for your oty to eat all that often, and other than that all it's good for is endgame damage. Don't worry, you'll still get to it pretty fast with all the drawing.

How 'bout an Anubis? THOSE ARE REELLLYYY COOL!
Time quanta, while plentiful, is usually used up as it's created, especially early game. Six or so hourglasses will do that to you. So it probably wouldn't come out as the first creature, and anything but an early-game anubis is a too late anubis since mid game you should be focusing on controlling the god and end game it shouldn't matter if your mutants are immortal. (Basically, you really only need to protect a druid and an oty, so why do you need it?)

FFQ? All dem other timebows (which suck, by the way) use the!
Yeah, but I've just never been a big fan of the FFQ. It was a great card back when it could be used to draw out all control, but I don't think the AI does that as much anymore. So all it really does is provide more mutation fodder and a bit more damage. Neither of which are necessary to win.

Miracle 'cause I like rare cards and I have rare cards and rare cards are cool and miracle is even a cooler 'cause it's a high cost card so it's really cool and must be used.
No thanks. With this deck you usually get EM anyway so long as you aren't poisoned (bone wall <3). Due to sanctuaries, it won't be used fast enough to help survive until you can gain control. And you can still get EM with poison so long as you make your damage perfect enough (use mutations and otys and such) so the weapon deals the last blow.

Well now I'm just reaching. Aflatoxin? 'Cause it sounds coool!
It costs a lot, is slow to kill, and if you use it on yourself you shouldn't because boneyard makes enough mini mutant fodder by itself.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH WHAT IF ETERNITY IS MY LAST CARD!!!
The odds of that are very low and it's most definitely NOT worth making your deck larger and worse overall for. It's even lower than 1/45th or whatever, since you can still win as once you get down to 10 or so cards, you're most likely set up. So just stop drawing; you'll probably win even if eternity is your last card. The only time you're really screwed is when eternity is your last card AND boneyard is in your last six or so.

What about an antimatter? That's a good card.
HAH. LOLNO ANTIMATTER IS A TERRIB- wait. No. It can't be. That's actually a fairly good idea. I guess I'd put that as an "optional" card. You could replace a sanctuary or sog with it, or even just add it in if you wanted. Wouldn't recommend any nymph of any kind, though.

It seems like every timebow has dim shields...
Yes, but many FGs have permanent control, and this deck sets up a bit faster than other timebows due to 6 hourglasses and time towers in a relatively smaller 45ish card deck. Also, permafrost.

LOLOLOL *insert something about QI here* LOLOLOL
QI is a useful tool, but it doesn't directly tell you whether or not a deck is good. Mono-aether stall, for example, has a high QI but that doesn't matter since it's a stall and you don't need to play everything right away. So if you want to debate whether or not the quanta usage is out of whack or not, go ahead (I'll probably be tweaking the deck a lot for this reason). Just don't immediately discount it if the QI isn't to your liking, since there may be a reason for the QI being odd.

TIME BOWS SUCK
No they don't. Shut up and try it. If it doesn't fit your playstyle, so be it.

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388779#msg388779
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 05:36:14 am »
Are you really banking on only a SINGLE druid? You must suck at this game.

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I'm intrigued. Sort of like a 1.28 equivalent of your traditional FGbow?

Can't wait to try out the finished product.
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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388781#msg388781
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 05:42:56 am »
Are you really banking on only a SINGLE druid? You must suck at this game.

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I'm intrigued. Sort of like a 1.28 equivalent of your traditional FGbow?

Can't wait to try out the finished product.
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That's basically the plan. But really the idea behind posting this beta is to get more people besides me to help out in testing it. I promise, it won't bite. Unless you lose a lot with it. Then it might.

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388792#msg388792
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 07:07:58 am »
Are you really banking on only a SINGLE druid? You must suck at this game.

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I'm intrigued. Sort of like a 1.28 equivalent of your traditional FGbow?

Can't wait to try out the finished product.
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That's basically the plan. But really the idea behind posting this beta is to get more people besides me to help out in testing it. I promise, it won't bite. Unless you lose a lot with it. Then it might.
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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388798#msg388798
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 07:26:37 am »
Decks.... b....bb....bite?!? *backs away slowly* "I think you need to take your pet back to obedience school" *runs at full speed*
Yes, I'm afraid decks with Otys do indeed bite.

I loved the ol' SG rainbow back in the day. I don't have enough Time Towers but I may take this for a spin anyways. You mentioned QI in the OP, and then said it's not important. I agree with you that QI isn't all-inclusive, but now I'm curious what sort of quanta numbers you are going for. What made you choose this particular proportion of towers?

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388823#msg388823
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 08:15:36 am »
Anubis?
FFQ?
Miracle for EM?
Aflatoxin before you can set up bone wall+Fire storm?
Rewind to prevent last turn eternity?
Antimatter/Purple nymph?
Dim shields?

These are my ideas.
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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388895#msg388895
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 02:12:42 pm »
Decks.... b....bb....bite?!? *backs away slowly* "I think you need to take your pet back to obedience school" *runs at full speed*
Yes, I'm afraid decks with Otys do indeed bite.

I loved the ol' SG rainbow back in the day. I don't have enough Time Towers but I may take this for a spin anyways. You mentioned QI in the OP, and then said it's not important. I agree with you that QI isn't all-inclusive, but now I'm curious what sort of quanta numbers you are going for. What made you choose this particular proportion of towers?
Honestly it was mostly because I haven't yet checked this deck's QI. When I make decks, a lot of what I do is testing to tweak the number of towers so it's the part of the deck that's most liable to change. The goal with it though is to get out a few quick quantum towers, a time tower or two, and at least one hourglass. It doesn't really matter if you don't have the oty/quint or other key cards if you get that set up, draw a few healing cards, and can draw a LOT. Endgame the basic idea is that you'll never be wanting for quanta.

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388909#msg388909
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2011, 02:55:54 pm »
Seems like Can Haz Moar Draws mods, except for the fact CHMD was not thought to RT skeles with the eternity.

Maybe it's my imagination, but almost all timebows are... pretty similar.
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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388923#msg388923
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2011, 03:50:54 pm »
so I decided to try this deck, coz I had almost all the upgraded cards. I tried 10 fights and lost all of them, becuase I cant seem to live long enough to play my expensive cards or I have to discard on turn two already. this might work for some other guys, but not for me.

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388933#msg388933
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2011, 04:20:12 pm »
so I decided to try this deck, coz I had almost all the upgraded cards. I tried 10 fights and lost all of them, becuase I cant seem to live long enough to play my expensive cards or I have to discard on turn two already. this might work for some other guys, but not for me.
Interesting. This is why testing is needed. I was 5-0, you were 0-10. I never ran into having to discard on turn two.
Obviously, the deck probably needs more work. Maybe the time towers just make it too draw dependent, in which case I'm probably just going back to Can Haz Moar Drawz.

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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388944#msg388944
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2011, 04:48:40 pm »
Wow, i havent played a timebow in a while, i might have to try this out. Hopefully it is still worth it to play a timebow, idk though...
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Re: 1.28 FG Rainbow: A Blast from the Past *beta* https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30589.msg388950#msg388950
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 04:55:40 pm »
5 games, 5 losses
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The deck is too slow, have too much time quanta and lacks all the other quanta
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