(1.24) CC? Why bother?

[tyranim]

I said to play it and use it once. 4 + 2 = 6. I'm not saying you cant use it, but I've tried it many times myself, and I just end up having more frustration because I either play it too early and end up not being able to quint my destroyer, or playing it late and having it not even help me much. I also play with a LS + chimera combo to finish the FG off and give me EM, and fractal fits that strat a lot better also since it lets me make a big chimera at the end with fractal which will penetrate any shield and heal me to full.

genious combo, i didnt even think of that.

[9jacob4]

(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd101291/neptune)

 me pwning neptune

[Nume]

Err why is that posted here? First of all, neptunes really easy with this deck... and secondly, that isnt even this deck that you're using .

[9jacob4]

Err why is that posted here? First of all, neptunes really easy with this deck... and secondly, that isnt even this deck that you're using .

i modifyed the cc why bother deck to fit my own kind of battleing

[$$$man]

I said to play it and use it once. 4 + 2 = 6. I'm not saying you cant use it, but I've tried it many times myself, and I just end up having more frustration because I either play it too early and end up not being able to quint my destroyer, or playing it late and having it not even help me much. I also play with a LS + chimera combo to finish the FG off and give me EM, and fractal fits that strat a lot better also since it lets me make a big chimera at the end with fractal which will penetrate any shield and heal me to full.

genious combo, i didnt even think of that.

I think I thought of it first and Nume pretty much adopted the strategy Forgive me if I am wrong.

[Nume]

I dont remember who first made it, but yeah it wasnt me . I started using it soon after the patch with chimera hit, but I remember someone posted the idea of using chimera and ls for em first.

Edit: Since i had time, I looked back to see. I guess I actually was the first to post the idea of using ls+chimera, at http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9545.msg146212.html#msg146212 , but $$$man posted the first deck code using it at http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9545.msg150173.html#msg150173 , 2 pages later. I dont think I used it before that so yeah that was probably the first actual using of it .

[Katarsis]

Hi. Well, here's my first message.

Just to have a few words about Miracle card (again  .

It really helps in many situations. It often allowed me to  resist the few turns I needed to "lock" the game with Permafrost Shield, or to survive the few turns (even just one) I needed to win instead of lose.
Miracle helps A LOT to deal with Scorpio's mass poison, surviving one or two turns more than without Miracle.

I play with 1 Healing, wich increase EM victories by itself. But Miracle can help for this too.

At last, Miracles uses your white quantum that otherwise remains useless in most games (Fractal exceptions).

Sure, sometimes you won't have enough quantum to play it in time: shit happens.

Having played a lot with and without Miracle, I'm now confident: that card worth it.
More than Aflatoxin for example, that only helps versus FG that are not very hard to defeat without it.
In spite of what I'm saying, I play Aflatoxin too, it's a fun card  .

[Mahon]

I was curious to see how my variation was doing so I started recording dataz. Firstly here is the deck.

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u7 6u7 77f 77f 7ak 7dq 7dq 7dq 7gp 7gp 7k2 7q5 7q5 7q5 80h 80h 80h
The major change:

 +1 Quantum Tower; At first this was because I stretched the deck size to 36 and tower was 37. Since then I have narrowed it down again. Regardless an extra tower is nice. I found that even with the standard 7 tower 35 card variety I was in situations where I was quantum starved even beyond the first few turns. I feel this is superior.

-1 Aflatoxin; I tried this. I really did, but the match I needed it most was against Decay, and even then I drew it early enough to matter only half the time, and even when I did draw it I couldn't play it half the time even if I saved novas for a burst. It is still useful against a lot of other matches, but I just don't see what other FGs this would be real useful against, at least not more than a third Antimatter.

I think all the other changes are fairly common and need not be explained. If I had an Air Nymph it would bump a Lava Destroyer.

Without further adue here is my data.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=thaUiPYZ5oRf_j8ssvu9hLg&hl=en&authkey=COOYxpUM#gid=0 (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=thaUiPYZ5oRf_j8ssvu9hLg&hl=en&authkey=COOYxpUM#gid=0)

Only 150 games so far, and that one fight with Dream Catcher was my 149th game. However I broke it down by god as well.

In case it isn't apparent to anyone else Card%Win is the percentage of cards won per win. Cards%Played is the percentage of cards won per match regardless of win/loss. Same with the EMs.

[Kuross]

Without further adue here is my data.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=thaUiPYZ5oRf_j8ssvu9hLg&hl=en&authkey=COOYxpUM#gid=0 (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=thaUiPYZ5oRf_j8ssvu9hLg&hl=en&authkey=COOYxpUM#gid=0)

Only 150 games so far, and that one fight with Dream Catcher was my 149th game. However I broke it down by god as well.

In case it isn't apparent to anyone else Card%Win is the percentage of cards won per win. Cards%Played is the percentage of cards won per match regardless of win/loss. Same with the EMs.

Ouch on Graviton 

[Nume]

Yeah my only complaint on your stats is you skipped a LOT of winnable games, so of course your win percentage will be lower than others who dont skip any. EP and Graviton especially are quite winnable with this deck and should not be skipped imo.

[Mahon]

Yeah I should explain a little. Fights like Obliterator I only skip if he gets a Pulverizer before I do, or Divine Glory getting a Burning Tower early. As for EP, and Graviton they are winnable, however unlike god like Obliterator you don't really know if you have a decent chance until you have committed to quite a few turns.

It would have been very interesting data, and if someone else wants to do it awesome! For me though, those are some of my least favorite fights, everything I play exploding around me. For me the aggravation would cause me to just FG farm less. In other words I am confident that I end the day with more Quantum by skipping them.

Oh and Graviton...I know right...I had fought him 10 times before I had seen any other god more than 5. At first I would play a turn or two to see maybe he got a bad draw...then I just got frustrated and auto quit.


Edited to make bad grammar a little less bad.

[TheMartyr24]

Agree with CB! . I am now using your deck and love in it,especially for the 3rd destroyer and Aflatoxin:)