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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116387#msg1116387
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 11:23:46 pm »
Zso_Zso 3 - 1 Vangelios

Game 1: The decks Vang played should have countered the basic version of my deck, but I had a twist added which saved me.
Game 2: An extremely close game, got saved by a last-minute top-deck of a shield which allowed me to survive a few turns to win
Game 3: Got trolled by the deck I played in first match, fair enough, LOSS.
Game 4: He already played the element twice that would defuse my deck, so I was confident, but it turned out to be a close match I barely won

GGs Vangelios, several very close games that could have easily gone the other way, RNG was supporting me here!
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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116392#msg1116392
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 11:41:08 pm »
Zso_Zso 3 - 1 Vangelios

Game 1: would be a win, but Zso used a card that made the difference
Game 2: again, it would be a win, however RNG was fatal
Game 3: Top deck normal hand I won with leftovers
Game 4: I made a mistake, put an artifact that would be stolen by steal early on,I should have placed first creatures
(I used 2 times the element and just the "mark deck" of that element  in another game)

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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116400#msg1116400
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 12:24:26 am »
3. DECKBUILDING
The only elements allowed are: :darkness :entropy :gravity :light :time (Other cards are not allowed)
Before each match (using a 3rd person), each player must choose 4 of the above 5 elements - those are the only elements you may use for that match. (You cannot choose the same combination of elements more than once.)
You cannot use the same element more than twice in a match.
You cannot use the same combination of elements more than once in a match. (monos included)
Other elements' Pillars, Pendulums, Mark Cards, and Marks may be used.
You may use up to 3x upgraded cards, where 'x' is the game of the match you are on. (game 1 = 3 ups, game 2 = 6 ups....)
For each copy of a Shard you use, you must reduce the amount of upgraded cards in your deck by 2.
Limit 1 of each Mark card per game.
Limit 2 of each Nymph card per game.
You must declare your used elements after each game.


I thought the 2 underlined sentences refer to the same rule (just further clarified in the second), but according to Kakerlake the first instance refers to the choice of 4/5 versus different opponents to be different. If that's the case, then I messed up as I played the same 4 elements against Kakerlake and Vangelios.
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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116403#msg1116403
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I thought they did too, but I've only played one match so far.

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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116413#msg1116413
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 01:18:35 am »
3. DECKBUILDING
The only elements allowed are: :darkness :entropy :gravity :light :time (Other cards are not allowed)
Before each match (using a 3rd person), each player must choose 4 of the above 5 elements - those are the only elements you may use for that match. (You cannot choose the same combination of elements more than once.)
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You cannot use the same combination of elements more than once in a match. (monos included)
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For each copy of a Shard you use, you must reduce the amount of upgraded cards in your deck by 2.
Limit 1 of each Mark card per game.
Limit 2 of each Nymph card per game.
You must declare your used elements after each game.


I thought the 2 underlined sentences refer to the same rule (just further clarified in the second), but according to Kakerlake the first instance refers to the choice of 4/5 versus different opponents to be different. If that's the case, then I messed up as I played the same 4 elements against Kakerlake and Vangelios.

My un-official opinion (from a different group - but same rules) is the same as Kakerlake's interpretation.

Example using your Group's elements:
Match A - Dark Entro Gravy Light
Match B - Dark Entro Gravy Time
Match C - Dark Entro Light Time
Match D - Dark Gravy Light Time

That would be legal set of selections, right?
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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116426#msg1116426
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 02:42:41 am »
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1W 2W 3L 4W

Game 1: I nearly ragequit on about turn 3 when I saw the matchup and how badly he countered my opening hand, but I figured out a way to save up for an OTK. (one of my better moments, actually)  I'm encouraged by the opening win, and the fact that I'm clearly playing smarter than I did vs kakerlake (one match in particular I made a dreadful play vs him)

Game 2: Not playing nearly as smart, as I completely forgot to use any upgrades in my deck this time... but Zso made what I considered an early play mistake (and he mentioned that he felt the same after the game) and I won as a result.  Had he not done that, I'm not sure who had the upper hand.  (it was nearly a mirror match, same elements, and probably only a few cards difference, aside from upgrades... stoopid dragonsdemesne)

Game 3: I seriously thought I'd countered Zso on this one (and on about turn 3 he sees my deck and tells me he thinks he's lost...) but I had a weaker than average draw, and he pulls off a win.

Game 4: We take an hour break at Zso's request.  I spend awhile looking for 'the perfect deck', and tweak it playing against halfbloods, so I have a pretty good idea how to use it.  A good hand combined with a bad hand and bad matchup for Zso meant I didn't have any trouble in this game.

GGs Zso_Zso.  Definitely a lot of RNG for me in both of my matches so far.


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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116735#msg1116735
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2013, 10:59:58 pm »
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GGs.  Luckily managed to predict with fairly good accuracy what he'd do in the first three games.  Game 4 he completely surprised me.

1 L) I predicted his first deck pretty good, which is hard in game 1, but his creature choice meant that I was in big trouble.  I played on because with a mistake on his part I could have still won, but he didn't make the mistake.

2 W) I think if Vang had swapped his mark and pendulums he might've won this one, at least with me losing the coin toss like I did.

3) I had a pretty good counter here; his only chance was denied when the card he most needed hid for the first 5-6 turns until it was way too late to do anything.  He said afterwards that he thinks he made a mistake choosing the deck he did for this one.  He might be right; I'm not sure what I would have picked in his position for this one.  There's a good chance I'd have gone the same way he did.

4) I had more deck combinations possible than Vang at this point, and I built one I was pretty sure he couldn't beat with any deck I could think of.  He thought of a deck I completely missed, but fortunately the deck I built countered it really hard anyway, and he conceded halfway through.

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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116768#msg1116768
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2013, 12:30:35 am »
Vangelios 3 - 2 Fippe94

Game 1 lose - draw only one pillar and Fippe have devourers and my game is dead
Game 2 won - I had a good hand and I also used only 3 ups, I forgot that I could put 6, this game was the same ocurred with me in the first but in the Fippe side.
Game 3 won - was a deck that I never used it, and found it very good, but if I don't have a great start would perdition because fippe would to retaliate hard if it had enough quanta. and I used only 8 ups.
Game 4 lose - I used 12 ups this time but my rush not was capable of beat, but was a good game he draw a card essenssial in a decisive turn.
Game 5 won - 15 ups a deck of rush, but they did not was rushed, was low damage for a deck rush,
I thought I would lose, but the hand of Fippe was much worse

GGs Fippe was really RNG here  :)
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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116781#msg1116781
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Kakerlake 1 - 3 Vangelios

1: got kicked by server and AI played stoopid. Also, RNG was on Vangelios' side.
2: RNG helped me a little.
3: Built a complete fail deck :/ stoopid speedbuilding
4: RNG was against me.

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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116784#msg1116784
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Re: PvP World Championship 2013 - 1st Round - Group B https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52696.msg1116899#msg1116899
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2013, 10:02:43 pm »
bogtro 3 - 2 Vangelios

G1: Was essentially countered, but a great start and a subpar draw allowed me a win.
G2: A ridiculous game. Vang had the better version of a mirror match, but he just kept. drawing. pillars. After drama back and forth for several turns I miraculously pulled out another win.
G3: RNG paid me back with a horrendous draw, from which I never recovered. Not a good deck either.
G4: He won the coinflip in a mirror match, not much interesting.
G5: I took advantage of his limited elements and he didn't really have much of a chance against my deck with what he had left.
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