Elements PvP Tournament - Suggestions and Feedback

[deuce22]

Regarding the tourney today, I like the concept of it, but the fact that we could do the reset trick made the tournament awful. I could literally make almost any conventional pvp deck I wanted being allowed to do this. I opened 5 browsers and was able to build staples like bonebolt, devtal, firestall, grabbow, and ghostmare. This tournament was basically beginner's league with the option of maybe using 1 rare weapon. And that's fine for a tourney, but the problem with this setup was that some opponents took forever to reset and try to deckbuild between matches.

Again, I like the concept of a "newb" tourney, but this one failed pretty hard because the reset trick was allowed.

[inthisroom]

Regarding the tourney today, I like the concept of it, but the fact that we could do the reset trick made the tournament awful. I could literally make almost any conventional pvp deck I wanted being allowed to do this. I opened 5 browsers and was able to build staples like bonebolt, devtal, firestall, grabbow, and ghostmare. This tournament was basically beginner's league with the option of maybe using 1 rare weapon. And that's fine for a tourney, but the problem with this setup was that some opponents took forever to reset and try to deckbuild between matches.

Again, I like the concept of a "newb" tourney, but this one failed pretty hard because the reset trick was allowed.

I totally subscribe to that, it certainly wasn't a "newbie" tourney as people could build pretty much whatever they wanted, trying to compete with a true beginner's deck was impossible.

[dragonsdemesne]

I dunno, most of those decks were really lacking something due to the electrum restrictions.  I was able to build an excellent ghostmare, a meh firestall, and then I used another monofire, a weird gravity deck, and a 6 NT/24 pillar deck.  Granted I didn't do the newb weapon quest, but still, I don't know how some people built the decks they did.  I saw a couple grabbows and a firestall that I have no idea how they could be afforded, especially when they had the weapon in them and so they hadn't sold them for cash.  I felt the rules were too ambiguous and success in the tourney relied in large part on how much you were able to exploit the quest reset.  Some people in chat mentioned they were able to do it, while others weren't, and it seemed to depend on whether you'd closed browser windows or other things like that, which had absolutely nothing to do with game skill.

[Onizuka]

Grabbow was certainly possible with dark starter deck.

[deuce22]

Grabbow was certainly possible with dark starter deck.

everything was possible with dark starter deck.

Dark deck = 869 (nearly 200 more than most starter decks)
Quests + reset = 289
weapon = 145-150

Total = 1303-1308

Spoiler for decks i made with this:

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and despite exploiting this for all its worth, RNG still managed to screw me in round 1 (grabbow with no creatures for 6 turns, 3 boners hid in bottom 10 cards). Karma's a bitch?

[dragonsdemesne]

Hmm, I didn't know that the darkness deck was worth that much more than the rest.  Also, what's the 289 thing from quests/reset?  Do you get to start with bonus gold or something?  I didn't bother with the quests so I have no idea.

[AnnaMall]

Yeah you get the rewards for any single quest + the weap. Also i think the tourney timer somehow changed to 1 hour earlier 24-36 hours before the actual tourney and sadly i could not make it. Could it have been a daylight savings time change?

[pikachufan2164]

Yeah you get the rewards for any single quest + the weap. Also i think the tourney timer somehow changed to 1 hour earlier 24-36 hours before the actual tourney and sadly i could not make it. Could it have been a daylight savings time change?

The forum's timezone-specific timestamps don't automatically change with Daylight Savings; you'll need to do that manually in Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout.

[dragonsdemesne]

Regarding the Nov. 23 tourney:

Pros:
Ruleset was really fun.  I saw and used a lot of decks I didn't normally get to use. 

Also, I like it when upped tourneys have reasons to use unupped cards even if you own every upped card.  (like unupped maxwell was allowed, but upped one was not)

Cons:
Timezone voting was a bit of a pain in that we weren't 100% sure up until like half an hour before it started which choice would be the one, and then it was postponed since we didn't have 16 ppl at the time, though that last is not anyone's fault.

The rule change to disallowing monos and confusion about the ambiguous definition of a mono until a TO clarified it made it tougher to prepare decks ahead of time.

[iancudorinmarian]

I really enjoy speedbuilding since all my tourney deck I make is made like half an hour or so before it start.or decks.

The only think I don't understand is that why third place gets 4k and  second place get 5K+nympm/mark schould be opposite since 4K is nothing and mark/nymphs is everythig.

I don't agree, 4K is almost 3 upped cards, a lot of coins if you need it (I need it, so it's important for me).
And I don't really join tourneys for reward, it's more likely 20% reward, 80% for fun.

[Calindu]

I really enjoy speedbuilding since all my tourney deck I make is made like half an hour or so before it start.or decks.

The only think I don't understand is that why third place gets 4k and  second place get 5K+nympm/mark schould be opposite since 4K is nothing and mark/nymphs is everythig.

So let's give everyone a mark then?
No, there should be that gap, since being 3rd means you lost before finals.

[Fosius]

I really enjoy speedbuilding since all my tourney deck I make is made like half an hour or so before it start.or decks.

The only think I don't understand is that why third place gets 4k and  second place get 5K+nympm/mark schould be opposite since 4K is nothing and mark/nymphs is everythig.

So let's give everyone a mark then?
No, there should be that gap, since being 3rd means you lost before finals.

Yeah, reaching the finals is an achievement all of its own, no need to give out free hand outs for marks