Elements PvP Tournament - Suggestions and Feedback

[kaempfer13]

I agree that this is an issue that requires clarification and/or change. So far we deleted and gave a warning for each instance of public meta discussion we saw, including brief mentions of cards people thought were good. Wouldn't a duel with tournamentready decks convey more information than that? And is that even a bad thing? On the one hand, tournament wins should be personal achievements, on the other hand it can be really hard to get into tournaments if you are not allowed to get any help whatsoever and also discussing the possibilities is fun.
As of now,  public discussions will be deleted, PMs and casual matches fall under null, not being punished, since we cant follow them anyway, but kind of frowned upon when you announce your intentions publicly. I'd like to collect more opinions on the matter, so if you got an opinion, please post it!

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

As of now,  public discussions will be deleted, PMs and casual matches fall under null, not being punished, since we cant follow them anyway, but kind of frowned upon when you announce your intentions publicly. I'd like to collect more opinions on the matter, so if you got an opinion, please post it!

This seems like the most practical way to go about this in my eyes. Although, I can't exactly see the usefulness in the casual matches due to it basically revealing a potential deck you could just fight against a custom AI with. As much as the AI is faulty, I believe it can give a person a rough idea of what their deck can counter and what counters it. If the AI fails to play your deck correctly, just use the deck yourself and have the AI play a different deck.

[CactusKing]

As of now,  public discussions will be deleted, PMs and casual matches fall under null, not being punished, since we cant follow them anyway, but kind of frowned upon when you announce your intentions publicly. I'd like to collect more opinions on the matter, so if you got an opinion, please post it!

This seems like the most practical way to go about this in my eyes. Although, I can't exactly see the usefulness in the casual matches due to it basically revealing a potential deck you could just fight against a custom AI with. As much as the AI is faulty, I believe it can give a person a rough idea of what their deck can counter and what counters it. If the AI fails to play your deck correctly, just use the deck yourself and have the AI play a different deck.

There's a tool where you can duel yourself and control both decks, a part of oetg iirc. Dueling other competitors before the tournament is both frowned upon and strategically bad, but being impossible to police without constant pvp spectating by the TOs, it's hard to justify punishing people who still do it.

it can be really hard to get into tournaments if you are not allowed to get any help whatsoever

Newcomers can get help with understanding the rules, and deckbuilding is easy enough to pick up by looking at resources elsewhere on the forum.
I don't think tournament decks should be given away to anyone, even beginners.

[Wyand]

On the one hand, tournament wins should be personal achievements

To me that is the most important aspect. I also agree with Weeaboo about AI play.

As much as the AI is faulty, I believe it can give a person a rough idea of what their deck can counter and what counters it. If the AI fails to play your deck correctly, just use the deck yourself and have the AI play a different deck.

[HearthstonePro]

This rule seems really good, why don't we just change it to this?

[MyNameIsJoey]

I saw this in this week'S tournament thread, and wont bother to read all 54 pages here but :

What if rather than 1 upped tournament for 3 unupped tournaments we had

1 upped tournament 1 semiupped tournament and 2 unupped tournaments?

[CactusKing]

Completely agree, upgrades are easy to get now so I think it's safe to increase the amount of ups in tourneys without feeling like we're excluding noobs.

[dawn to dusk]

For a few tourneys now I've been wanting to talk about the meta, this recent one in particular interested me. So I wonder, perhaps once a month for one of the unupped tourneys, perhaps allowing meta discussion? So the rotation would be something like:
Unupped Closed Disc
Semi-Upped Closed Disc
Unupped Open Disc
Upped Closed Disc

It would make the meta pretty interesting, and we would be able to see some of the better decks come out, as well as counters to a lot of the popular proposed decks. I think it would be interesting to see at least tried out, perhaps just one week we have a fairly open tourney with a number of deck possibilities, or perhaps the opposite. One pretty heavily restricted like the one this week.
Doing this can also help remove some of the overlooked strong cards in the meta, banning them so they don't become a problem

[Vindilos]

Thats what I like to do, so I'm TO.

You can already discuss the meta in private. You can also discuss the meta after the tournament.
Before the tournament you probably dont wanna tell what decks you will play, but it also spoils the fun and challange of making decks.

The TOs often discuss meta, often based on decks I make. People played a lot of different things last 2 tournaments, so balance seems alright.

Edit: some tournaments are reruns of old tournaments, so the balance has been discussed already.

[dawn to dusk]

You can already discuss the meta in private. You can also discuss the meta after the tournament.

Posting about the tournament, be it publicly or in private, has always been something that was looked down upon. The rules explicitly state public posting, as private posting is hard to mediate.

Spoiler for Rule 4.4:

4.4 - Posting About Tournaments
Please don't post discussions on the forum regarding the metagame or decks for the upcoming tournament. Also please do not post or give away tournament decks while tournament is still in progress. If you think that there is an overpowered card or strategy that should be banned, send them to the organizers who will privately discuss whether the card is really overpowered or not. Feel free to discuss these topics after the tournament is over.

Before the tournament you probably dont wanna tell what decks you will play, but it also spoils the fun and challange of making decks.

This is subjective, and why I would think that a test trial would be warranted. Personally, I wouldn't mind being able to talk about the potential meta, what to expect, what to bring, what to tech, etc. It's not about trying to have an edge over your opponents, rather it potentially improves the decks being played. I dunno, I wouldn't mind it, and I'd like to hear other opinions too

[moehrpi]

You can already discuss the meta in private. You can also discuss the meta after the tournament.

While I have talked in private about ongoing tournaments after I dropped out, it is not something I'd like to see encouraged. Plus it has only happened in individual cases. I am, however, glad to share a deck with my previous opponent and do not see it as an issue. Although, I am sure some people will.

In general, I like the idea to discuss the meta of a tournament but that does not happen frequently in public. The main issue I see is that the tournament evolves into an RNG fest as soon as rushes are viable. That is if the desired discussion gets rolling in the first place. I spent maybe an hour in total for three tournaments this year. I don't see myself get too involved in a possible discussion. :S

That being said, I appreciate everyone who is interested in my opinion on a tournament I played in and hits me up in chat / shoots me a PM.

[Vindilos]

There is no way for us to check private messages. We can't really enforce that rule when people talk in private, even though we don't like that.