Elements PvP Tournament - Suggestions and Feedback

[Zawadx]

Why didn't we have increased rewards for the Jan 2 tourney?

[Solaris]

Why didn't we have increased rewards for the Jan 2 tourney?

We weren't quite ready to swap over to the new system.

[RootRanger]

Is there any logical explanation why we are still prohibiting shard? It's been half a decade since Arena came out. For all practical purposes, shards are approximately equally difficult to acquire as the rest of the rares. If the answer is that shards are too powerful, then simply restrict the most powerful ones, just like what you do with rare weapons.

If there's anything we should do a blanket ban of, it's Nymphs, which are actually difficult to acquire.

[Solaris]

Is there any logical explanation why we are still prohibiting shard? It's been half a decade since Arena came out. For all practical purposes, shards are approximately equally difficult to acquire as the rest of the rares. If the answer is that shards are too powerful, then simply restrict the most powerful ones, just like what you do with rare weapons.

If there's anything we should do a blanket ban of, it's Nymphs, which are actually difficult to acquire.

We are more apt to permit shard in upped tournaments, as unupped tournaments tend to draw new players, who may not have a full arsenal of shards.

[RootRanger]

We are more apt to permit shard in upped tournaments, as unupped tournaments tend to draw new players, who may not have a full arsenal of shards.

Ok, but they don't have a full arsenal of nymphs and rare weapons either. By your logic, we should ban those as well. Nymphs, at the very least.

Remember, a main reason we initially banned shards but allowed rare weapons was because T50 had made it easier to obtain rare weapons, but not shards. T50 is no longer relevant, especially not to new players!

[Solaris]

We are more apt to permit shard in upped tournaments, as unupped tournaments tend to draw new players, who may not have a full arsenal of shards.

Ok, but they don't have a full arsenal of nymphs and rare weapons either. By your logic, we should ban those as well. Nymphs, at the very least.

Remember, a main reason we initially banned shards but allowed rare weapons was because T50 had made it easier to obtain rare weapons, but not shards. T50 is no longer relevant, especially not to new players!

I don't disagree with banning Nymphs, for sure, as they've been a focal point for imbalance as of late. Generally weapons aren't as "gameshifting" as Nymphs/Shards, and in the event that they are, they're usually banned. See: Discord.

We will discuss the matter of Nymphs, though. Appreciate the concern, and thanks for the feedback

[ddevans96]

Most shards aren't metabreaking. The ones that are certainly should be banned in most tournaments, as Discord and some other cards are, but it's been over four years now right? I don't see any reasoning to treat shards as a single group anymore.

[tereret]

I'd love seeing shards like soSer often in the tournaments

[Solaris]

I'd love seeing shards like soSer often in the tournaments

We generally permit shards in upped tournaments for reasons aforementioned.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I generally don't like complaining about bad tournament ideas... but 5 speedbuilding in a row is getting ridiculous. Even if it has to be something uninspired like randomized card bans, at least allow people to build decks up front: it's the most fun part of tournaments for people like me and a nice excercise in deckbuilding. You even get to include extra bans based on feedback this way, leading to more balanced tournaments. There's more points to be made against speedbuilding including the fact that they add a significant amount of time you need to reserve for the tournament, but I'm sure I don't need to list them all.

[Solaris]

I generally don't like complaining about bad tournament ideas... but 5 speedbuilding in a row is getting ridiculous. Even if it has to be something uninspired like randomized card bans, at least allow people to build decks up front: it's the most fun part of tournaments for people like me and a nice excercise in deckbuilding. You even get to include extra bans based on feedback this way, leading to more balanced tournaments. There's more points to be made against speedbuilding including the fact that they add a significant amount of time you need to reserve for the tournament, but I'm sure I don't need to list them all.

We've stated multiple times now that we were doing Speedbuilding September due to War, including here, and in chat. We did not want to run tournaments that may require prebuilding decks, as this would discourage participation when paired with the sometimes strenuous schedule of War. Perhaps one of our downfalls was not making this knowledge more publicly known, however, we have stated it. We apologize if anyone has abstained from participating due to this, and we hope to see you in October.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I generally don't like complaining about bad tournament ideas... but 5 speedbuilding in a row is getting ridiculous. Even if it has to be something uninspired like randomized card bans, at least allow people to build decks up front: it's the most fun part of tournaments for people like me and a nice excercise in deckbuilding. You even get to include extra bans based on feedback this way, leading to more balanced tournaments. There's more points to be made against speedbuilding including the fact that they add a significant amount of time you need to reserve for the tournament, but I'm sure I don't need to list them all.

We've stated multiple times now that we were doing Speedbuilding September due to War, including here, and in chat. We did not want to run tournaments that may require prebuilding decks, as this would discourage participation when paired with the sometimes strenuous schedule of War. Perhaps one of our downfalls was not making this knowledge more publicly known, however, we have stated it. We apologize if anyone has abstained from participating due to this, and we hope to see you in October.

I don't even bother to read the rules of a tournament if the title itself already tells me I'm not interested by adding "speedbuilding", no. In fact, it's by making them speedbuilding that you discourage participation: people can always opt to speedbuild tournament decks, on their terms. Non-speedbuilding tournaments have never forced people not to speedbuild: so no matter how little time they have, nay exactly when they are short on time, will non-speedbuilding be preferred. Since you are now forcing people to allot a certain timeframe for building their decks rather than letting them choose when and how long to build the decks themselves.

So, I'm not sure what this "due to War" argument is supposed to be. You will really need to elaborate on this. Or maybe for the TOs? Like I said, just do the exact same ruleset, but reveal allowed cards in advance. Same effort, no speedbuilding.