Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Feedback

[bojengles77]

When you get time, can you fix the links in the championship league management. When i go to the thread and want to add player/results it sends me to the beginner's league editing page. =)

[plastiqe]

Private chat for leagues is a bad idea IMO.  People talking about leagues in main chat is probably the main way new people join up.  Dividing the playerbase between rooms, cause some people will just stay in general chat and some might go to the league room means less games happen.

[TheOwner]

Can we make a below 20,000 fully upped league?  I have 13000ish score and about 100 upgraded cards but I don't like having to get unupped cards to participate in leagues and tourneys.

[Demagog]

Something needs to be done about finding matches. Now that it's towards the end of the season, people that have no chance of winning have no intention of playing. The only way to have played these people was at the very beginning of the league. Now that we are in the last couple weeks (I think), matches are hard to come by because all the active people have played each other to the limit (or near it). For those of us just out of reach of the lead, this is frustrating because there is really no way we can catch up if there is no one to play.

[bojengles77]

Something needs to be done about finding matches. Now that it's towards the end of the season, people that have no chance of winning have no intention of playing. The only way to have played these people was at the very beginning of the league. Now that we are in the last couple weeks (I think), matches are hard to come by because all the active people have played each other to the limit (or near it). For those of us just out of reach of the lead, this is frustrating because there is really no way we can catch up if there is no one to play.

First off, keep in mind that it is summer after all, so many people are away or not playing as much. Though what you say is true, there is little that can be done about it. The league should be in the spirit of playing, not just of winning. People who aren't in the lead shouldn't be solely motivated to play to win - many players have had no chance from the beginning and still played nonetheless. This being said, you can't force people to play. My best advice to you is to be persistent in chat and ask everyone who is in the league whenever they are on - you'll get a match sooner or later.

Also, the leaders are facing the same predicament as you are, and they aren't gaining any advantage by playing more end-of-season matches, they got ahead early and played consistently. I know you were ahead by about 10 points at one point early in the season, and you dropped off the map. Trying to make a summer end of season comeback for the win probably wasn't the best planning.

[Demagog]

I've been busy with the war. Plus summer school. I agree, the summer makes people less likely to play. I just think the league needs to be more organized than "find your own matches."

[bojengles77]

I've been busy with the war. Plus summer school. I agree, the summer makes people less likely to play. I just think the league needs to be more organized than "find your own matches."

How would you propose we make a system wherein people don't find their own matches? The league is in the spirit of "find your own matches". People play as much as they want in organized PvP this way, or as little as they want. Tournaments and war are other main forms of PvP where you are heavily organized and play in defined times with given people. However, if you think of a good possibility for a new system, I'd love to hear it.

[Demagog]

How about instead of making me do it, why don't we do it? As in everyone that wants to be involved in the league.

Edit: What if we used a vow system? When you sign up, you vow to play each person X number of times. If one person says once, and another says six, they will only have to face each other once. Of course, a person can play people more times than they vow, they just can't exceed six per person. If a person vows to play 3 games against everyone, they don't have to accept challenges from someone they have already played 3 matches against. I'm not sure what kind of penalty there would be for not meeting the requirements of your vow though. There may be some complicated situations too. I think if one player that chose a vow of three didn't play three matches against someone who made a vow of four, the person that vowed three should get the penalty because they were the ones that set the minimum amount of games to be played between those two players. This way people are encouraged to play more. I guess if it's one person's fault though, and there is evidence of this, that player would take the penalty regardless of who made the smaller vow.

Thoughts? I'm sure it's not perfect...

[Demagog]

I'm just gonna bump this since I don't think editing a post makes people that have read the last one see the "new post" symbol...

[TheOwner]

I do think there should be an icon by your name for "Looking for a match" it would make things so much simpler similar to another room but in my opinion much better because everyone is still in the same room

[bojengles77]

I do think there should be an icon by your name for "Looking for a match" it would make things so much simpler similar to another room but in my opinion much better because everyone is still in the same room

This is a good idea to start a renovation of the "game-finding" process. Unfortunately, I have no control over the chat since it is owned and run by ScaredGirl, but i'll talk to her about the possibility of an icon. The idea of the separate league room, however, wasn't to allow people to find matches, but to not clutter up the main chat. This idea wouldn't exactly address the problems Demagog talked about. Having an icon would be convenient, but players would still need to be in chat and the icon would be similar to just asking for a match. Maybe we can convince Zanz to make a PvP 3 and PvP 4 for the leagues!

How about instead of making me do it, why don't we do it? As in everyone that wants to be involved in the league.

Edit: What if we used a vow system? When you sign up, you vow to play each person X number of times. If one person says once, and another says six, they will only have to face each other once. Of course, a person can play people more times than they vow, they just can't exceed six per person. If a person vows to play 3 games against everyone, they don't have to accept challenges from someone they have already played 3 matches against. I'm not sure what kind of penalty there would be for not meeting the requirements of your vow though. There may be some complicated situations too. I think if one player that chose a vow of three didn't play three matches against someone who made a vow of four, the person that vowed three should get the penalty because they were the ones that set the minimum amount of games to be played between those two players. This way people are encouraged to play more. I guess if it's one person's fault though, and there is evidence of this, that player would take the penalty regardless of who made the smaller vow.

Thoughts? I'm sure it's not perfect...

The problem is, what is the punishment for not meeting your vows? A verbal beating? This is also overwhelmingly confusing with 50 people in the smaller of the two leagues. With so many overlapping vows, many would simply not be met and it would stop people from joining the league if they didn't want to play every other person in the league. Think about it, if you vow the minimum, that is to play each player 1 time, that's still 50 matches about. Have you played every other player in the league, because I haven't and I've played more than anyone. This means penalties would abound, and everyone would be penalized which shouldn't happen. Also, the people making vows and not playign are likely the players who wouldn't be playing to win in the first place, making the penalties meaningless to them. The main flaw isn't the idea, its the fact that it's difficult to carry out.

[TheOwner]

Another request that never seemed to be addressed was that I requested an upped league for less than 20,000 score I am currently hovering around 12,000 but I don't like my unupped decks even if my upped pwn the world