Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Feedback

[Calindu]

If you're not a fan of shards in leagues, then do you think that they shouldn't be included in ANY pvp event?  I just wonder because if they're not in leagues then where will they be used competitively, if at all?

If SoFo will continue in leagues then we might as well buff deflag back, no one will use deflag anyway in decks.

[Onizuka]

Just create a section in the rules for having duels with cards removed.

-Both parties coming to agreement=cards not able to be used.
-Break it and its a loss
-If both sides can't come to an agreement then unrestricted play.
-Cannot refuse matches because opponent won't play by your rules. Rule figuring out happens after a challenge is accepted.
-etc

This lets people play at least for the most part without shards if they don't want to and the people that do to since they can't have opponents not play them because they want to play unrestricted.

Its not like CL hasn't acted with at least some of these rules in place already, and next season won't be any different in all likelihood.

Will need an actual enforcing of the cannot avoid challenge rule.

[regen2k9]

Just create a section in the rules for having duels with cards removed.

-Both parties coming to agreement=cards not able to be used.
-Break it and its a loss
-If both sides can't come to an agreement then unrestricted play.
-Cannot refuse matches because opponent won't play by your rules. Rule figuring out happens after a challenge is accepted.
-etc

This lets people play at least for the most part without shards if they don't want to and the people that do to since they can't have opponents not play them because they want to play unrestricted.

Its not like CL hasn't acted with at least some of these rules in place already, and next season won't be any different in all likelihood.

Will need an actual enforcing of the cannot avoid challenge rule.

That's actually a pretty cool idea, because if someone refuses to use a card or suggests to ban another card, it's a bit like pre-match scouting.

[mesaprotector]

Just create a section in the rules for having duels with cards removed.

-Both parties coming to agreement=cards not able to be used.
-Break it and its a loss
-If both sides can't come to an agreement then unrestricted play.
-Cannot refuse matches because opponent won't play by your rules. Rule figuring out happens after a challenge is accepted.
-etc

This lets people play at least for the most part without shards if they don't want to and the people that do to since they can't have opponents not play them because they want to play unrestricted.

Its not like CL hasn't acted with at least some of these rules in place already, and next season won't be any different in all likelihood.

Will need an actual enforcing of the cannot avoid challenge rule.

That's actually a pretty cool idea, because if someone refuses to use a card or suggests to ban another card, it's a bit like pre-match scouting.

^This. I played a lot of matches in BL where we agreed on shardless decks beforehand, and there wasn't really any issue. Just needs enforcing.

[regen2k9]

Just create a section in the rules for having duels with cards removed.

-Both parties coming to agreement=cards not able to be used.
-Break it and its a loss
-If both sides can't come to an agreement then unrestricted play.
-Cannot refuse matches because opponent won't play by your rules. Rule figuring out happens after a challenge is accepted.
-etc

This lets people play at least for the most part without shards if they don't want to and the people that do to since they can't have opponents not play them because they want to play unrestricted.

Its not like CL hasn't acted with at least some of these rules in place already, and next season won't be any different in all likelihood.

Will need an actual enforcing of the cannot avoid challenge rule.

That's actually a pretty cool idea, because if someone refuses to use a card or suggests to ban another card, it's a bit like pre-match scouting.

^This. I played a lot of matches in BL where we agreed on shardless decks beforehand, and there wasn't really any issue. Just needs enforcing.

And plus, I'm sure that there are lots of people out there who don't hate ALL shards.  Maybe just SoFo and another one etc.

[furballdn]

Have both players ban up to one card before the match. Neither players may use banned cards. That way, games can be either unrestricted or semi-restricted. Also helps mitigate the two biggest shards, SoFo and SoSac.

[Vangelios]

I am against the banning of cards, after all, we are very far from having an unbeatable deck, Sofo and Sosac has its flaws.

[regen2k9]

Have both players ban up to one card before the match. Neither players may use banned cards. That way, games can be either unrestricted or semi-restricted. Also helps mitigate the two biggest shards, SoFo and SoSac.

I don't think that forced bans would be a good choice in leagues.  They have the potential to make the OP even more OP (look at what happened when reflective/mirror shield and emerald/jade shield were permabanned for the season).  In Bo5, Bo7, Bo9, etc. matches, players have enough breathing room to adapt, react to, and attempt to counter decks that make use of bans.  However, in a Bo3 series, I personally feel that imperative bans are much too exploitable (ban a strong deck's top counter card), and instead - no offense intended - I favor Oni's idea, where both players agree to their respective bans.

[Odii Odsen]

The most ppl here say Shards should be banned.
But like I read before, BL and CL are the only places where Shards are allowed in PvP.
If two particular shards are often used, why no counter decks then?
Maybe we can introduce two parts. The first half shards are allowed and the second half without shards.

[Vineroz]

The most ppl here say Shards should be banned.
But like I read before, BL and CL are the only places where Shards are allowed in PvP.
If two particular shards are often used, why no counter decks then?
Maybe we can introduce two parts. The first half shards are allowed and the second half without shards.

Two parts sounds nice. How about you can only use shards after you have finished 30 games?

[regen2k9]

The most ppl here say Shards should be banned.
But like I read before, BL and CL are the only places where Shards are allowed in PvP.
If two particular shards are often used, why no counter decks then?
Maybe we can introduce two parts. The first half shards are allowed and the second half without shards.

Two parts sounds nice. How about you can only use shards after you have finished 30 games?

Sounds good in theory, but some people (especially those who play other events) only have time for 30-45 matches while others play over 100.  This gives a HEAVY advantage to the latter, so I think another option would be best.

[mrpaper]

speaking of another option.. just on top of my head.. game 1 unrestricted, games 2 without sofo and sosac, game 3 shardless? I gotta say though, I started asking to play shardless most games and there weren't really issues.  I believe Cal started this and most people dragged into this, so if we let shards optional, just how many matches will be done with shards anyway?  I believe only a few and only by those who feel playing poisondial or stacking sofo is great fun so it's allright.