Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Feedback

[plastiqe]

I request a tiny edit to either the original league post or the standings page to show when it was last updated, like "last updated 19/01/12".

[pikachufan2164]

I request a tiny edit to either the original league post or the standings page to show when it was last updated, like "last updated 19/01/12".

It won't be feasible to edit the first post of each League thread once SG eventually adds in the GDocs integration via HTML, since every edit made afterwards will require her to edit the HTML back in.

How's about I put the relevant update info in the Announcements thread and bump it when I update the standings?

[Onizuka]

What about in the second post?

[pikachufan2164]

What about in the second post?

That's another option, but I know how some people go TL;DR at the administrative stuff in the first two posts (and also the rules thread), and never bother to check the second post.

[Jen-i]

I know this has been said before - but I'll say it again. I find it ridiculous that the rewards for BL and CL are not the same - it's the same skill set to play both BL and CL. And while I understand that some prefer the unupped environment - I see no reason for it to have a lesser reward.

[blackknight280]

Hi all. I have idea for organizers and players for league. As we can all see league is going really slow. Small number of players playing league actively. From posts I saw now is played average 1-2 matches for 1 day, thats really bad for champ league. If we continue like this less than 1/4 of players will have over 30 matches, but that is not because all of us just quited league. Problem is there is just 15 competitors from all over the world, so we cant be on same hour in chat room. When one player is online another player is not and viceversa, also small number of players when ever you ask them to play they dont wanna play. So I ask, can we make hour for every next day that will gather not all but most of players that want to play and when we gather we can go everyone against everyone. Please all support to make this league really active.

[pikachufan2164]

Hi all. I have idea for organizers and players for league. As we can all see league is going really slow. Small number of players playing league actively. From posts I saw now is played average 1-2 matches for 1 day, thats really bad for champ league. If we continue like this less than 1/4 of players will have over 30 matches, but that is not because all of us just quited league. Problem is there is just 15 competitors from all over the world, so we cant be on same hour in chat room. When one player is online another player is not and viceversa, also small number of players when ever you ask them to play they dont wanna play. So I ask, can we make hour for every next day that will gather not all but most of players that want to play and when we gather we can go everyone against everyone. Please all support to make this league really active.

The League Organizer team can't control when other players are online.

It's better to ask in public chat (something along the lines of "CL anyone?") instead of harassing others with PMs. If you're constantly bothering people, they will not want to play with you. As for players repeatedly refusing matches, we do not encourage this behaviour.

[blackknight280]

I am active on elements every day from begining of league and yes that is what I do from start, asking in chat room 'CL anyone?' and I get 6 matches. When I see a player from CL in chat room I ask him 'wanna play cl' and he says every time 'NO'. I dont wanna name it and start fighting, that is worst solution, I am just trying to make things better for league in future.

[Silver]

This has probably been suggested but how about getting rid of BL and CL and creating a semi upped league? Up to 1/5 of your deck can be upped cards or something like that.

You would get double the cards to work with, there would be less optimized decks to copypasta from the forum, and the metagame wouldn't be fully figured out yet so it might bring some freshness to, from what I gather from the posts around here, a stale game.

I think the broadest part of the community is people like myself with a number of good upped cards but enough enough to build full decks covering the full spectrum of archetypes needed for CL. Obviously newer players would be excluded and a completely unupped league would probably still be needed, but I don't think it's completely unthinkable to imagine someone doing well completely unupped. Unifying the leagues also helps the small player pool problem.

I don't have much experience with this community or either league, but just from lurking in chat and reading the last few pages it looks like CL isn't really working.

[Jenkar]

This has probably been suggested but how about getting rid of BL and CL and creating a semi upped league? Up to 1/5 of your deck can be upped cards or something like that.

You would get double the cards to work with, there would be less optimized decks to copypasta from the forum, and the metagame wouldn't be fully figured out yet so it might bring some freshness to, from what I gather from the posts around here, a stale game.

I think the broadest part of the community is people like myself with a number of good upped cards but enough enough to build full decks covering the full spectrum of archetypes needed for CL. Obviously newer players would be excluded and a completely unupped league would probably still be needed, but I don't think it's completely unthinkable to imagine someone doing well completely unupped. Unifying the leagues also helps the small player pool problem.

I don't have much experience with this community or either league, but just from lurking in chat and reading the last few pages it looks like CL isn't really working.

Suggested a few time.

My main problem with this is that for me, CL & BL were made to ''test'' the balance of both unupped and upped metagame. The problem atm with CL is that that metagame is completely in favor of one kind of deck, which makes it boring for most players.

[ralouf]

Actually two kind of decks but with the SN nerf we are on the good way.

[Jenkar]

Alright. I've reread this whole thread, and I'd like to point out a few problems that seem to come back and back, as well as some i am noticing this season.

• Top players not playing.
  I'd like to do a friendly reminder to everyone of this post :
  

  First, if you can provide a screenshot of a player specifically stating they will not play you for score reasons you will be awarded a forfeit win against that player.  That type of behavior is a clear violation of the rules.
  
  Secondly, you are not the first player to express frustration over this players refusal to fight.  It seems ironic since this very same player was complaining to me about the previous #1 not being around.  I can state with no doubt that if this behavior continues there will be auto-forfeits and possibly even exclusion from prize eligibility.  Hopefully his attitude on the matter changes soon.
  
  As for scoring, the maximum amount of points a player can gain or lose from a single match is 20.  The gap required for this to happen is massive.  For example:
  
  * Current top rated CL player has a score of 1651.  The last rated player has a score of 1386.  This is a gap of 265 points.  If the top rated player loses it's only a 17 point swing.
  * If a new player at 1500 score beats the 1651 score the point swing is only 14 points for a gap of 151 points.
  * bucky1andonly at 1524 score beating the 1651 score means a point swing of only 14 points for a gap of 127 points.
  * If the second rated player at 1604 beat the 1651 score the point swing is 11 points for a gap of 47 points.
  * In BL, 1390 def. 1785 (395 point gap): 18 point swing
  
  Keep in mind the baseline for beating a player of your same score or very close to it is a 10 point swing.  So really all you risk is losing an additional 4 points over the baseline and only 3 points over the second rated player.  It is patently absurd to dodge matches with players out of fear for you score.  For one, the additional points you'd lose for a loss are minimal compared to the second highest player.  Second, dodging matches means you feel you will lose and to be honest a league champion should not be a player too scared to play.  The purpose of leagues is to play anyone and everyone that wants to take a crack at you and to emerge victorious, not to climb to the top and them cower in fear from all challengers.
  
  More reference numbers:
  500 point gap: 19 points
  400 point gap: 18 points
  300 point gap: 17 points
  200 point gap: 15 points
  100 point gap: 13 points
  50 point gap: 11 points
  0 point gap: 10 points
  
  Do you see how ridiculous it starts to become?  There is just no point and all in trying to worry about your score.  You need to be over 500 points ahead to even get close to the maximum cap.
  
• There is no reason for BL & CL to have different rewards.
  
  This is a point i'm definitely in favor of. League rewards, as any rewards, should be a proof of skill, not of dedication. Grinding takes time and that's all. Winning a league, upped or unupped, is your proof of skill. The fact that you have more upped cards than others isn't.
  
  My suggestion would be to either have a 3-1-0 format or a 2-1-1. Also, just to point out an argument that has been given against this :
  

  3. Amount of codes is fixed so all we can do is redistribute what we have (we cannot add new ones). I think that CL should have much better prizes, otherwise veterans will just join BL.
  

  I find that silly. If veterans join bl when rewards are equal, the problem is NOT in the rewards being equal, it's in the championship league. Also, this problem is *already* affecting leagues for that exact reason. See point 3.
  
  Should a poll separate to this topic be opened to get better community opinion?
  
  
• Inactivity strikes.
  This is especially the case in CL, where i see only 6 players that will probably have more than thirty games at the end of season. Absolutely no idea of how to solve it.
  
  
• ELO rewards turtling once at the top.
  
  I believe the krach system proposed a few pages ago would solve that. Also, it seems to be community aproved : http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,34121.0.html
  
  Xeno's currently rebuilding the tool for calculating the scores. It should probably be posted in this server so that if Xeno accidentally a bus, we can still use & tweak it.
  

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