Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Feedback

[Elbirn]

I don't really like the minimum game requirement either. I joined BL for a spot of PvP action during downtime, knowing full well that'd i'd never be able to play 30 games or receive any rewards, what with school, work, and so on. I think I managed...10? Anyway, I joined entirely for the hell of it, and to support forum sponsored PvP. Like n00b said, you gents have enough trouble finding people to play league anyway.

Last I checked, in BL, only 8 people completed the minimum number of matches, with a total of 20 people being banned from next season. With over 2/3 of the interested player base gone, that oughta hurt next season.

As for the ban rule. I only ever tried to use it to ban shards. And every time I asked, I was greeted with an unsportsmanlike "No" before being thoroughly trounced. I think the ban rule is fine, but shards need to not be in the league meta. People complain that EtG boils down to a Rock-Paper-Scissors? Well including shards makes that more of a Rock-Paper-Scissors-Gun.

[rob77dp]

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I don't really like the minimum game requirement either. I joined BL for a spot of PvP action during downtime, knowing full well that'd i'd never be able to play 30 games or receive any rewards, what with school, work, and so on. I think I managed...10? Anyway, I joined entirely for the hell of it, and to support forum sponsored PvP. Like n00b said, you gents have enough trouble finding people to play league anyway.

Last I checked, in BL, only 8 people completed the minimum number of matches, with a total of 20 people being banned from next season. With over 2/3 of the interested player base gone, that oughta hurt next season.

As for the ban rule. I only ever tried to use it to ban shards. And every time I asked, I was greeted with an unsportsmanlike "No" before being thoroughly trounced. I think the ban rule is fine, but shards need to not be in the league meta. People complain that EtG boils down to a Rock-Paper-Scissors? Well including shards makes that more of a Rock-Paper-Scissors-Gun.

If the next league season is 1.32, I am totally fine with Shards in BL.  Honestly, I was ok with how the 3/2012 league season went.  But my feedback would be that shards (especially as-is 1.31) in BL should be banned (or at least if one of the two players requests shard ban then shards are banned that match with non-shards following current league ban rules).  I'm fine with the minimum matches rule.  Without it or some similar variant I expect to see 40 player leagues with very few players having many matches.  Small sample size is asking for trouble with ELO, prizes, and meta in my opinion.

[Cheesy111]

Elbirn: I assume you are at least in part talking about me.  I apologize if you felt that I was being unsportsmanlike, but I do not know what you would have wanted me to say.  I want to play in Leagues for the unrestricted metagame, not for the mostly-unrestricted metagame.

rob77dp: Kind of the same thing as Elbirn.  Yeah, some shards were overpowered.  I don't get how everyone thinks that "shards" need to be banned or unbanned though.  It's just a playerbase dislike of them that's grown for what seems to me to be SoSac's annoyance factor and SoFo's overpowered-ness.  It would be ridiculous to ban SoFo in leagues for the same reason it would be to ban Fire Bolt in leagues.  Leagues is unrestricted PvP, not restricted-in-this-certain-way PvP.

[Odii Odsen]

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I don't really like the minimum game requirement either. I joined BL for a spot of PvP action during downtime, knowing full well that'd i'd never be able to play 30 games or receive any rewards, what with school, work, and so on. I think I managed...10? Anyway, I joined entirely for the hell of it, and to support forum sponsored PvP. Like n00b said, you gents have enough trouble finding people to play league anyway.

Last I checked, in BL, only 8 people completed the minimum number of matches, with a total of 20 people being banned from next season. With over 2/3 of the interested player base gone, that oughta hurt next season.

As for the ban rule. I only ever tried to use it to ban shards. And every time I asked, I was greeted with an unsportsmanlike "No" before being thoroughly trounced. I think the ban rule is fine, but shards need to not be in the league meta. People complain that EtG boils down to a Rock-Paper-Scissors? Well including shards makes that more of a Rock-Paper-Scissors-Gun.

You may not use Shards in tourneys, events and war. Shards would be useless in the PvP game. I think just in trials you could use Shards.
Since I don't like farming FG's and Arena, I could also sell all my shards, if the league's will ban Shards.

Please, don't ban shards. I don't know what happened in BL, but in CL it wasn't a problem to ban them.

[Vangelios]

I think this rule of ban needs to be worked,

1. Each player can (have the right) to banish 2 cards for the duel (can  be shards or any card), then we have 4 cards banned for the duel. If the duelists want to ban more is optional.

2. Normal mode, only if both players agree no bans. if both do not agree will have to play with item 1

 And preferably having an intermediary in chat, Jenk, Pika, Vine Noob, that may accompany such agreements.
if  stay the way it is,  can having a player who can play 100 games with no bans.

@ Odii do not worry, this BL had many shards, and others BL also will have, especially now with these changes.

[Cheesy111]

if  stay the way it is,  can having a player who can play 100 games with no bans.

This is OK.  The ban rule is so that players can ban cards if they both want to.  This offers an opportunity to players who want to play with certain rulesets while not changing the basic premise of League PvP: unrestricted unupped/upped PvP.  Why do you think this is a bad thing?

[Calindu]

if  stay the way it is,  can having a player who can play 100 games with no bans.

This is OK.  The ban rule is so that players can ban cards if they both want to.  This offers an opportunity to players who want to play with certain rulesets while not changing the basic premise of League PvP: unrestricted unupped/upped PvP.  Why do you think this is a bad thing?

Because the meta, I heard that BL was mostly SoFo decks, where the player who gets SoFo faster usually wins, I doubt anyone likes to play mirrors 75% of the matches.

[Elbirn]

^ That. I don't mean to complain, but due to my refusal to use shards myself, my games were either

1. Opponent is playing with shards, I lose.
2. Opponent is not playing with shards, game can go either way, I feel satisfied with the result regardless.

It's not a very fun meta.

[Jenkar]

For everyone's information : This : http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7503.msg316283.html#msg316283 , and the discussion stemming from it was taken into account when making the rule.

[Odii Odsen]

Btw, why are antispell dmg shields banned?

[Elbirn]

Purify bug. If you play purify in a PvP match on someone with a reflect shield up, it causes a desync.

[dragonsdemesne]

Regarding the 20h match rule instead of 24h: I think this was a good thing.  I'll give an example why.  I come home from work at, say, 5 to 5:30pm, log on to Elements looking for a league match, and I play one with Player X.  So far so good.  The next day, I do the same thing.  I come home from work at the same time, log on to Elements looking for a game, and Player X is there again as well.  However, I just played with Player X less than 24 hours ago, and Player X is not able to wait another half hour to play, so we end up waiting 2 days apart to play instead of 1.

Regarding the bans: I had a lot of fun with this sort of thing some days.  Sometimes we had some really wild ideas for bans, or restricted ourselves to certain types of decks, and so on.  For instance, there were times we'd agree on maximum of 2 copies of a card, or whatever.  One time I remember me and justaburd both agreed to play monolife :p  It allows for the option of making things more interesting, but since it is not required, one can always revert to the unrestricted metagame if desired.