Darkness

[Higurashi]

Yes, using does not exclude relying, but my point was that it does not equal it. In this case, one would simply use it in order to stop it from using you. Simple manipulation tactics.

If nothing existed, things would be pretty dark, to be honest. Pitch-black. It is the lack of light, after all. Whether the word "darkness" would exist or not is actually irrelevant if we venture outside of our own perceptions. Similarly, the exclusion of time is eternity. It is not reliant on time, but rather on not being affected by it. Since nothing can actually remove darkness from existing, it's eternal.

[Korugar]

Wikipedia's definition is ironic.

"Eternity, an infinite amount of time, or a timeless state."

[Xinef]

If nothing existed, things would be pretty dark, to be honest. Pitch-black.

Well... if you mean a situation when a thing called 'nothing' exists, then it might be true.

If you mean a situation when everything does not exist. (and other things also don't exist) then things described by these bold words would also not exist.
Without things you cannot have pretty dark things.
Without pitch-black you cannot have pitch-black darkness.

Void can be empty. Where there is not even void it cannot even be empty, because there is nothing capable of being empty.

If being dark is the characteristic of not being filled with light, then only things that can have characteristics can be dark.

The programming interpretation would be:

null->setLightLevel(0.0f);
// NullPointerException mwahahahahah ^_^

[Higurashi]

No. It's enough that light doesn't exist. That lets darkness exist, even if it's a void. It doesn't have to be a thing on its own any more than the void is. That is, a purely theoretical state of the universe. A void is still one thing. As I said though, semantics are irrelevant when imagining this, because our minds cannot comprehend nothingness. And yet, the idea exists. Darkness, on the other hand, will always exist as long as light has not filled every inch of creation. That will never happen. Light sources dying on us might, though.

[Xinef]

As long as darkness exists (which also requires a space that can be dark to exist) then it is not true that "everything does not exist", so it's not the situation we are trying to describe.

And I'm not speaking of semantics. I'm speaking of objects and other things. And events, actions, states, characteristics etc.

As long as you understand the difference between void (the 'empty' space within the Universe) and nothing, you should understand why nothing cannot be dark.

Basically, if you want to check if a sample is something or nothing, you might simply check if it has any characteristic. If it is empty for example, it IS empty, and therefore it IS. And thus it is something and not nothing.
If it is dark then it also IS. If it is bright, or even if it is neither bright nor dark. It IS.

If the sample cannot be described as "bright", "dark", "both bright and dark", "neither bright nor dark", nor any in between... then the very fact it cannot be described is a characteristic so it IS.

Well, in fact not having any characteristics is a characteristic, which causes a paradox Though it's still something.

Thus any sample in fact proves to be something.

So, generally trying to describe or define 'nothing' is simply unreasonable, because if it can be defined (or if cannot) then it's not 'nothing'.

Anyway, when I think about it, I begin to understand why the understanding of the true concept of 'nothing' is such a hard task that mortals are incapable of. And why those using it as a weapon (though when you use 'nothing' as a weapon, you actually don't use anything) are so powerful. And why it looks so awesome and sparkly

[High-Lord Vin]

darkness came before time

and beside, dark is a funny deck the time

[Salamence_747]

darkness came before time

lol wut? "Before" indicates time's existence. You can't have "before" without time.

[High-Lord Vin]

if you haven't noticed, time is very confusing  ???

[Wardead]

Umm...is that guy Kael???

So far, he is the only one to post his own picture for War.....or GG might do that too....

[Xinef]

Umm...is that guy Kael???

So far, he is the only one to post his own picture for War.....or GG might do that too....

I guess the council should vote who else should post their pictures

(jk.)

[Dragoon1140]

I guess the council should vote who else should post their pictures

(jk.)

We may not have voted on it, but actually...

[Glitch]

lol - Wooo!!!  The darkness speech!  I'm so pumped!
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Do I look like I'm here to lose?
Your soul already belongs to me.
Accept the Darkness inside of you.

 o - Well that was certainly... succinct.
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