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What happens when you use this on a creature with 5HP or less?I guess you turn it into a super Spark --> big attack, 0 HP --> attacks one turn then dies.
Was there a rules change, or is this guy a hacker?Second proposition is right.
Otyugh should target the most dangerous creature to its life, which is not always the highest attack/defense creature.Interesting feedback. Thanks. See my opinion at the bottom of the post.
I consider lobotomy the most dangerous, then infecting stuff, otyughs with close defense come then.
It is not a problem if you infect a creature multiple times, but don't infect it if it would die anyway (infections>current defense).Good point too.
Don't play spark when hourglass is in effect, unless you got more scavengers/bone walls than the enemy.Those are not part of the targeting function. But I keep them in mind for the future.
Don't play dive while hourglass/phase shield/bonewall is in effect.
Now if I play Sundial I know for a FACT that there is NO POSSIBLE WAY of him killing me during the next 2 turns because I have also other higher priority permanents on the table. AI will target those higher every single time.The FG SHOULD consider your Sundial to be the highest priority. If it doesn't, the AI is wrong and needs improvement.
If you make it so they target weapons more often, small rainbows are screwed. Eternity will be useless. A lot of people are going to need to remake their rainbow decks :-/I put a Protect Artifact on my Eternity as soon as it enters the game. Don't you?
Of course, there's the relevant Wiki page (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Potential_AI_Improvements) to check.A lot of interesting suggestions there but not that much relevant. Most of them are not part of the targeting function.
Realistically, the various skills should be given a range of targeting values (beyond just "+3 value if skill exists".) Things like bioluminescence should be worth +0 (no more targeting Fireflys over FFQs), photosynthesis and gravity pull would be around +1, mutate and other potentially fail abilities along with momentum (which is already only great on a decent attacker) would be +2, most generally-useful abilities would be +3, and real game-changers like Queen, Destroy, Steal, Reverse Time, Sniper, and Devour would be +4.That's exactly how I started to work. My evaluation of the threat is a little bit different than yours though. See below.
Also, in general, it would actually improve the AI's play quite a bit if, at the start of each turn, it looked through it's hand for free cards and played them first, then went through and played costed cards in order from most to least expensive. That way, Graviton would get an Otyugh (and control of the board) on turn 1 instead of turn 4 or 5 after it's used all of it's Fire Masters.Not part of the targeting function. But thanks anyway
There are obviously circumstances when that isn't the case, but I think it would help. At the very least, it should play all pillars first before it goes back and plays any other cards.
If no PU/TU in deck, diversify buff targets. If this is possible to code, that is...I agree with all points but the first one. I keep thinking that 99% of the times, when a deck has some buffs in it, they're supposed to target the same creature every time. PU/TU was just an example but it's the same with a Deja Vu rush deck or when you just want to buff a momentumed dragon.
If creature has 10+ HP and/or HP>ATK, don't Armor
If poison count on creature = creature HP, don't infect it anymore
When Momentum, play it on a creature with 4+ attack
Use Photosynthesis multiple times until 12 Light quanta is reached, not once per turn per Rust/Leaf Dragon!
Really check for buffs if there is a playable PU/TU in hand and play them on your strongest creature, then PU/TU. Not before.Agree 100%. But not for now as it's not part of the autotarget function. I'll be sure to think about that when I work on the play order.
for example I play a have 9 life quanta, and play a frog, adrenaline it, then use an upped cockatrice. the frog's damage dealt at the end of the turn will be 12, and the cockatrice 5, but the frog is a lower-priority target (Statuses don't count as skills for the +3 apparently). Of course this is with adrenaline, which isn't out yet, but i'm assuming that the better AI will come out with the new cards.Yes, statuses (momentum, poison, adrenaline and the others) definitely have to be taken into account.
also something needs to be said about the AI decking itself (as rainbow).That's indeed a concern but I don't really know how to solve that. Even if I "teach" FG to reverse his own creature, that won't prevent him from decking out (as they'll only reverse 1 card and draw 2 on next turn). Any thought on this? Maybe we could ask Zanzarino if he would agree with the following change "FG might draw 2 cards per turn but they can choose to draw only 1 if they prefer". With this rule change (that I'm ready to implement) it would effectively be possible to prevent FG from decking.
EDIT: also wasting quant to play more eclipses/nightfalls or playing it when they have no creatures and the enemy doesGood point, thanks. But not part of the targeting.
I just hope the AI doesn't grow so complex that it slows down the game while it's thinking. AS isn't particularly fast programming language and one of the strong points of this game is the quickness of most matches.I take great care in checking that, don't worry.
I say give pillars/towers lowest priority over everything, so if there's a sundial on the field, the AI targets the dial instead of the towers you played first.Agreed, obviously.
my game against fire queen: shes playing with a lot of airquanta eagls eye... i have 2 otys with 0/5 and 3/5...The old AI took only "creature's attack" into account to find the biggest threat of the battlefield, that's why the Oty with 3 atk was always the primary target. Now the threat will be calculated differently depending on the creature's skill.
first sniper 0/5 and 3/2... but there are NO other creatures and sundial in play, so my 3/2 cant attack... but firequeen shoot on 3/2... so my 0/5 oty already has enough def to devour a skelett and so on... i think, its better when ai can think about the relevance, better to slow down the other one too, because so i get one round more für one of them... with 3/2 and 0/2 theres in this round not realy a chance... i think 8)
but more funny, i think, is when FQ draws a flying weapon, she plays! so, as i had an oty with 7 deff and an eagls eye self... she plays her eaglseye with flying weapon... without snipering... so next round, i devour this flying eagl... not that much intelligentThis has to be fixed, indeed. But it's part of the card ordering, not skill targeting. I'm not working on this part right now. Hopefully later.
Also don't use dive if your attack strength is 0Thanks, but part of the decision algorithm, not targeting.
In a heavy mutation battle i won by this quirk.
The enemy wasted quanta on diving a 0/4 flying egg.
Also, it seems the AI doesn't consider that after using a wounding ability (like owl's eye) it can use devour.That's how the ordering function currently works. See "Main loop" section here:
Many times I could slip in pests when an Oty has 0/2, the enemy hits my pest to 0/1, the Oty doesn't grab the snack.
And of course next round my Pest is already underground.
Btw, i noticed a mutated pest/devourer still sucks mana, though it displays momentum.It's a bug. Nothing to do in this thread though.
I wonder if it is a bug or a feature.
Not by me in the near future. Did you get this information from Zanzarino?That reminds me. While all of this AI upgrading is going on, are y'all going to be fixing other bugs (like the Momentumed Mutant problem, the Quantum AI Pillars problem, etc.?)Yes. Those are all getting fixed.
The AI seems to use Rewind to target the creature with the highest attack on the opponent's field. It's usually better to use Rewind against the creature with the highest cost -- thereby forcing your opponent to once again spend those quanta. As a default, it might be good to make that change, and allow for some exceptions (e.g. targeting creatures with activation powers over creatures without activations).In mid/end game, you have more quanta than needed most of the time so replaying a costly card is not really a problem. In my opinion, threats should be evaluated by looking:
When you Copy a creature, the ability of Copying will be replaced with the Copied creature's ability, so you can't reuse it.This is already the case with a lot of skills. And it works without problem.
Using Momentum on general high statsum creatures instead of high attack creatures. You must have seen Momentumed Armagios.It's not that easy. If player has an Oty, computer should not cast momentum on its own Ruby Dragon (cause the dragon is going to be devoured on next turn and the momentum will be lost). There's probably some place for improvement here but the "check atk only" rule is not right IMO.
As well as Plate/HevE Armor - Targets strongest creatures instead of Otys/Brittle attackers.That's right. Added to my TODO list.
Also, stacking multiple Infections on one creature,EH replied to that. I'll try to see what I can do.
stacking all Blessings/Armors/Buffs on one creature instead of diversifying,Again I disagree. Stacking buffs on a creature is a good thing most of the time. That's precisely the behavior that you're expecting from the computer when it plays a TU deck.
Blessing a Dragon not Pegasus (Miracle) and so on.This one is right. Dive should be taken into account.
Biggest fail of AI in my opinion is when he/she uses all his/her Explosions/Steals/Pulverizer to try take down a Bone Wall.Added to my TODO list.
In other news.. I don't know how you are doing the targeting but I've always thought it would be cool if AI did random things. Like 90% of time it does what "makes sense" but 10% of time it does something completely random. That would make it more like a human opponent because you wouldn't be able to always guess what it's going to do next. Is something like that possible?It's certainly possible. There's already some randomness in the final decision actually. But it's limited to "I do as expected" or "I cancel my action". When you were talking about "completely random", I guess you were thinking about "still acting but targeting another location than the most valuable", right?
He said he had a script that can fix the timestamps.It's just the same old bot. If I hadn't forgotten them, timestamps would be there till the beginning.
The Carcinogen thing seems to be a great thing. Immediately control out one of the enemoy's creatures, and then you can do Plague + Boneyards to clean up.Letting the cancer expand in your enemy field and block all slots in much better than plaguing it IMO.
also the False God..kinda is annoying at times!!Wut?
2. We won't be doing any custom themes until Simple Machines Forum 2.0 is fully released (this one is still Release Candidate 2, and there could be even a RC3). After it's fully released, we have to wait for mod developers to update their mods (aka plugins) to avoid any compatibility issues.That was my idea too until I checked the SMF roadmap.
Top priority now is to add more contentI'm curious: like what?
I've added a page to the wiki for Adrenaline (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Adrenaline)Oh man. This wiki has 148 registered users and countless anonymous and you're the first one who has a clue what a wiki template is. I'm soooo grateful
