Zombie's Bite | Zombie's Bite

[AD TienzuStorm]

NAME: Zombie's Bite ELEMENT: Death COST: 4 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals two damage to target creature, if it dies, then turns it into a Zombie	NAME: Zombie's Bite ELEMENT: Death COST: 4 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Deals two damage to target creature, if it dies, then turns into an Elite Zombie

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NAME: Zombie ELEMENT: Death COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|1 TEXT: : Bite Deal one damage to target creature, if it dies, turn it into a Zombie	NAME: Elite Zombie ELEMENT: Death COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3|1 TEXT: : Bite Deal one damage to target creature, if it dies, turn it into an Elite Zombie

[iDaire]

It looks slow to start, but the zombies are insta-kill without restriction, which is on my list of what is OP.
The only restriction it has is that it can only be used by Zombie, which is the same restriction as Devour and Paradox, so that doesn't count as a restriction.
Consider making it equally as powerful as Paradox, which is insta-kill, but only to creatures more powerful then Maxwell.

[Devourer]

Just make Infect the same mechanic as Aflatoxin, except it turns into a Zombie instead of a Malignant Cell. However, I would lower the damage to 2 for Zombie Bite, because I am opposed to Death having too much CC and zombie bites shouldn't be super powerful.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Just make Infect the same mechanic as Aflatoxin, except it turns into a Zombie instead of a Malignant Cell. However, I would lower the damage to 2 for Zombie Bite, because I am opposed to Death having too much CC and zombie bites shouldn't be super powerful.

Yeah, but I'm a bit shaky on nerfing it, since Death has no direct hard CC at the moment (Aflatoxin is the nearest thing, and that could benefit the opponent in a number of ways), I think that having it be three would be relatively reasonable. I mean, there's Shockwave and Lightning, and they're not extremely powerful. And besides, the bite is mainly to be used to start the zombie army. I mean, people don't really use Aflatoxin as CC to kill creatures, it's mainly for the Malignant Cell. That's kind of the same idea here.

Also, should the two turn death thing be removed? That was my lame attempt at balancing the "instant kill" thing.

[Chapuz]

Skull Shield is CC. Anyways, I would just make the zombies with Zombie Bite (or just Bite) ability dealing 2 damage.
Not the first idea I see with this concept,but it's very well done. Specially if Zombies are not standalone cards (likie malignant cells)

[Devourer]

Because death effects, hard CC is not ideal in Death. Otherwise, death monos become too OP. Imagine if Owl's Eye and Bonewall were in the same element. Yeah.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Skull Shield is CC. Anyways, I would just make the zombies with Zombie Bite (or just Bite) ability dealing 2 damage.
Not the first idea I see with this concept,but it's very well done. Specially if Zombies are not standalone cards (likie malignant cells)

Thanks Alright, I'll change it to two damage.

And again, should the "Zombies die in two turns" thing be removed, or is that a part of why it is balanced (in your opinion)? And I'm still not sure how to balance the mechanic for turning creatures into Zombies, I don't want it to be too slow (AKA I don't want it to be poison), but I think that the instant effect is too OP as well.

Because death effects, hard CC is not ideal in Death. Otherwise, death monos become too OP. Imagine if Owl's Eye and Bonewall were in the same element. Yeah.

Oh yeah, that's probably why.. makes sense. Should I also have the infection not trigger death effects, since if it did, then that would be four deaths in three turns (Zombie's Bite, infect two creatures, and Zombie dies), and then there are the two other Zombies that can also infect things.. it might get out of hand, especially with Bonewall and Boneyard.

[Devourer]

Because death effects, hard CC is not ideal in Death. Otherwise, death monos become too OP. Imagine if Owl's Eye and Bonewall were in the same element. Yeah.

Oh yeah, that's probably why.. makes sense. Should I also have the infection not trigger death effects, since if it did, then that would be four deaths in three turns (Zombie's Bite, infect two creatures, and Zombie dies), and then there are the two other Zombies that can also infect things.. it might get out of hand, especially with Bonewall and Boneyard.

Skellies are undead and they trigger death effects. Given their low health, I think it makes more sense to remove the autodeath and slow the effect. Grey Nymph, for example, is repeatable CC for Death, and it is very powerful, but its CC is very slow, and comes with a drawback. This too comes with a drawback. Each enemy that you kill turns into a 3|1 creature, which can be useful for the opponent if they have  . About the actual ability, you could just make the ability Zombie's Bite. Simple, not too effective, but interesting thematically and mechanically. Using the ability inflicts 2 damage and the status Infected, where dying turns the creature into a Zombie, just like the status for Aflatoxin. Or, you could go even more like Aflatoxin and do the 2 poison per turn. Personally, I think we don't really need another Aflatoxin with a twist, and would prefer Zombie Bite generating Zombie which uses Zombie Bite to generate more Zombies.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Because death effects, hard CC is not ideal in Death. Otherwise, death monos become too OP. Imagine if Owl's Eye and Bonewall were in the same element. Yeah.

Oh yeah, that's probably why.. makes sense. Should I also have the infection not trigger death effects, since if it did, then that would be four deaths in three turns (Zombie's Bite, infect two creatures, and Zombie dies), and then there are the two other Zombies that can also infect things.. it might get out of hand, especially with Bonewall and Boneyard.

Skellies are undead and they trigger death effects. Given their low health, I think it makes more sense to remove the autodeath and slow the effect. Grey Nymph, for example, is repeatable CC for Death, and it is very powerful, but its CC is very slow, and comes with a drawback. This too comes with a drawback. Each enemy that you kill turns into a 3|1 creature, which can be useful for the opponent if they have  . About the actual ability, you could just make the ability Zombie's Bite. Simple, not too effective, but interesting thematically and mechanically. Using the ability inflicts 2 damage and the status Infected, where dying turns the creature into a Zombie, just like the status for Aflatoxin. Or, you could go even more like Aflatoxin and do the 2 poison per turn. Personally, I think we don't really need another Aflatoxin with a twist, and would prefer Zombie Bite generating Zombie which uses Zombie Bite to generate more Zombies.

Oh, I like the idea of that, why didn't I think of that? >Zombies bite creatures, therefore it is a Zombie's Bite

*facepalms

I think I'll go with the damage, I also don't want another version of Aflatoxin, that would be redundant (and since Aflatoxin is a bit underused in the first place..).

And now that I think about it, removing the autodeath could make it OP, as of without sufficient AOE CC (or even just normal CC), any non-death deck would be ruined as of all the Zombies would be alive to constantly attack any creature that comes out. Maybe I should make the lifespan three turns instead? Even if I bumped the ability version of Zombie's Bite to 1 damage, that's still a lot of CC that could potentially get out very quickly if you get out a Photon or something and use Zombie's Bite on it. It would really only have counters in AOE. It would be like an improved version of a Pharaoh deck, since getting even three out would result in most creatures not surviving the first turn out.

[Devourer]

This is much slower and less effective than Otyugh. I don't think you need to worry about it being OP. Whenever I see repeatable CC on a stick, I think to myself: "Is it better than Otyugh?" If not, it cannot be OP, because Otyugh is not OP. Besides, with only one Zombie, you only have one source of CC, and cannot generate more on your side without more equally weak creatures. And Zombies are hella weak as it is, and vulnerable to CC themselves.

[AD TienzuStorm]

Alright, so is this what you're suggesting I do?

- Make Zombie's Bite deal 2 damage instead of 3
- Make Zombie's ability Zombie's Bite (one damage or two?)
- Make Zombie a non-standalone card
- Get rid of the autodeath mechanic

Is that everything? I want to try and send this to the Crucible once I get art, and I suppose I'll have to go to the Card Art thread..

[Treldon]

First you should sort out the card, have it balanced. The art can wait.

Plus, if you search a bit you can probably find some pics that you could use