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Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007668#msg1007668
« on: October 14, 2012, 07:38:46 am »


I know, this card is OP than any card in-game.
I'm talking about the concept. (Has anyone done this before?)
Makes that use card cost cheaper but need more card combo.

Possible mods:
Use target card for half cost.
Use target card for -X cost. (Or gain X quanta of the target card)
Use target card for :underworld element cost.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007669#msg1007669
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 07:41:29 am »
The closest I know is Immolation.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007862#msg1007862
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 07:32:25 pm »
If such a card like this exists, you must assume that it will be used on the most expensive card, which is miracle (15 :underworld). If we make that free for 2 cards, this would probably warrant something along the lines of 10-13 :underworld. However, it probably needs to cost a bit more too since it can be applied to any card you own, giving it much more utility.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007897#msg1007897
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 10:14:47 pm »
Quote from: furballdn on October 14, 2012, 07:32:25 pm
If such a card like this exists, you must assume that it will be used on the most expensive card, which is miracle (15 :underworld). If we make that free for 2 cards, this would probably warrant something along the lines of 10-13 :underworld. However, it probably needs to cost a bit more too since it can be applied to any card you own, giving it much more utility.
Three ways are possible.
- Just the most expensive one.
- Using the one that out-element of the deck. (like mono :death + Eclipse)
- Using the "impossible" card twice. (blitz+blitz)
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007909#msg1007909
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 11:18:07 pm »
If this is in :other, this will cause a lot of problems. I can splash miracles or twin universes or other expensive cards into every single deck.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007913#msg1007913
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 11:59:40 pm »
Quote from: furballdn on October 14, 2012, 11:18:07 pm
If this is in :other, this will cause a lot of problems. I can splash miracles or twin universes or other expensive cards into every single deck.
Yeah, pretty surely. And that's why this is in Pre-smithy Ideas section. lol
Quote from: choongmyoung on October 14, 2012, 10:14:47 pm
Three ways are possible.
- Just the most expensive one.
- Using the one that out-element of the deck. (like mono :death + Eclipse)
- Using the "impossible" card twice. (blitz+blitz)
Preventing 2nd one: not free, but half cost?
Preventing 3rd one: absorbs all :air quanta remaining, acts as intended.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007918#msg1007918
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 12:49:51 am »
How would this work with SoSac? Technically, the card is free, but it really isn't.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1007920#msg1007920
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 12:55:00 am »
Quote from: Rutarete on October 15, 2012, 12:49:51 am
How would this work with SoSac? Technically, the card is free, but it really isn't.
Only the card "cost" is free.
SoSac's quanta removing is part of its effect, not the cost.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1012830#msg1012830
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 03:50:48 am »
How about a spell that halves the cost of all cards you play for one turn?
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1012842#msg1012842
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 04:06:16 am »
Cards are worth exponentially more quanta in late game, because you usually already have many pillars. Because Miracle is a late-game card, if this card were paired with Miracle I'd say a 2 :rainbow cost is good (factoring in the possible dead card disadvantage).

If it were paired with abomination instead, it would still be fair at 2 :rainbow because abomination deals damage, which is an early-game thing.
At the very least, this shouldn't cost 10-13 :underworld.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1015220#msg1015220
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 12:03:51 am »
9 :rainbow

and it should work on everything just fine. It should be Other.
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Re: Use target card for free https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44068.msg1015227#msg1015227
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 12:32:49 am »
Quote from: storyteller on November 13, 2012, 12:03:51 am
9 :rainbow

and it should work on everything just fine. It should be Other.
Oh yes. 2 cards + 0 quanta for full healing. 2 cards + 0 quanta for instant doubling damage. Seems about balanced.
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