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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243035#msg1243035
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2016, 02:53:20 am »
I can see a deck based around these scorpions and SoBs. That would be terrifying ?_?
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243036#msg1243036
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2016, 03:08:30 am »
What if we drop the idea of it being a scorpion, make it a 1 attack 5 defence, 8 cost creature.
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243037#msg1243037
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2016, 03:09:04 am »
Maybe a millipede, seame suitably creepy
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243038#msg1243038
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2016, 04:15:17 am »
I'm not sure if I like this in earth because that's where stone skin is. I'm not sure where I would put it I'm not a very creative guy.

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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243040#msg1243040
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2016, 04:26:08 am »
The idea ties in to time much better however time already has a scorpion, I chose earth because of the pulveriser which has a similar ability.

For each successful attack destroy the top card of opponent's deck.

The idea is to speed up deck out wins, plus having just one of them in your deck negates the infinite loop caused by Eternity.

how pulvy is similar to this idea? pulvy is a weapon, it require  :earth :gravity for work, it destroy perms, there are immaterial perms and u fail against protect artifact: your card can mill every type of card, even immaterial cards.

keep in mind this:

magic the gathering is played with min 60 cards, max 4 copies of each card
yugioh is played with min 40 cards, max 3 copies of each card

both of these games have mill cards, both games has a graveyard.

elements is played with 30 cards with max 6 copies of each card, no graveyard.

there is no point in design a card with a broken effect like mill your opponent's decks, when for balancing u are forced to make something really, really underpowered like:

What if we drop the idea of it being a scorpion, make it a 1 attack 5 defence, 8 cost creature.

who would play something like that?

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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243042#msg1243042
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2016, 04:51:54 am »
If pulvy destroyed a random permanent instead of target permanent would you use it?
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243045#msg1243045
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2016, 05:08:21 am »
If pulvy destroyed a random permanent instead of target permanent would you use it?

the most important part of my post wasn't about pulvy, was about

keep in mind this:

magic the gathering is played with min 60 cards, max 4 copies of each card
yugioh is played with min 40 cards, max 3 copies of each card
both of these games have mill cards, both games has a graveyard.
elements is played with 30 cards with max 6 copies of each card, no graveyard.

i don't want to seem harsh, but: in this case u ignored 90% of what i wrote (and i hope u didn't do the same with other posts, because we are trying to help u), if u open a thread, be open to positive criticism

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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243048#msg1243048
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2016, 07:19:14 am »
Yeah I get what you're saying. But you're comparing very different games, magic has maybe a hundred different cards that mill, elements has none. I get that this concept is hard to balance but it'll evolve the meta in a fun way and it'll create a few new competitive decks. You know?
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243051#msg1243051
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2016, 07:54:08 am »
Yeah I get what you're saying. But you're comparing very different games, magic has maybe a hundred different cards that mill, elements has none.

u miss the point, i'm not comparing 2 games, i'm trying to make u think on NUMBERS, the ratio of the same cards permitted in a deck and the min cards of the deck
 
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for u is funny playing against a gold/plat deck with x12 scorpion and x12 sobr able to deck out u in 5 turns?

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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243053#msg1243053
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2016, 08:34:20 am »
Would it be so bad if decks started getting larger? Instead of this thing we do at the moment where any non stall deck with more than 30 cards is dismissed?

If all you're interested in is shooting ideas down without giving alternatives then why are you here man? I'm just trying to have a discussion and you're feeling very attacking.
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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243057#msg1243057
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2016, 10:13:13 am »
Would it be so bad if decks started getting larger?

this game is played with 90% of decks composed by 30 cards from the beginning, 7 years ago; u are suggesting a card that modify this, running more cards makes every deck less effective, because the deckout is inevitable, all for an ability that should't be in this game.

is this a good thing?

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I'm just trying to have a discussion and you're feeling very attacking

like i said in another post, i am not attacking u: i am trying to explain how this game works, but is hard, really really hard

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Re: Rock Scorpion/ Titanium Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62821.msg1243059#msg1243059
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2016, 10:28:34 am »
who would play something like that?

I would o3o

 

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