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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502046#msg502046
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 10:45:22 pm »
Quote from: 17927.2brainz on May 21, 2012, 10:01:27 pm
Miracle + Shard of Readiness is an issue too.
True.

Solution: Permanents cannot be targeted by SoR
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502487#msg502487
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 12:53:19 am »
Yeah, having this become a permanent is the best solution imo.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502525#msg502525
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2012, 02:15:44 am »
it clearly says in the notes that shards cannot be chosen. being to powerful with SOR is therefore a moot point.
edit: nvm, i misunderstood what everyone was saying.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502534#msg502534
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2012, 02:19:17 am »
Quote from: esran on May 23, 2012, 02:15:44 am
it clearly says in the notes that shards cannot be chosen. being to powerful with SOR is therefore a moot point.

No, what everybody is saying is that use this on miracle or fractal.  Then you use sor on the creature.  The creature now has fractal/miracle for free, and can use every turn.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502604#msg502604
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2012, 05:48:38 am »
Quote from: Laxadarap on May 23, 2012, 02:19:17 am
Quote from: esran on May 23, 2012, 02:15:44 am
it clearly says in the notes that shards cannot be chosen. being to powerful with SOR is therefore a moot point.

No, what everybody is saying is that use this on miracle or fractal.  Then you use sor on the creature.  The creature now has fractal/miracle for free, and can use every turn.

Would they still drain quanta?
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502607#msg502607
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2012, 06:08:25 am »
Quote from: Annele on May 23, 2012, 05:48:38 am
Quote from: Laxadarap on May 23, 2012, 02:19:17 am
Quote from: esran on May 23, 2012, 02:15:44 am
it clearly says in the notes that shards cannot be chosen. being to powerful with SOR is therefore a moot point.

No, what everybody is saying is that use this on miracle or fractal.  Then you use sor on the creature.  The creature now has fractal/miracle for free, and can use every turn.

Would they still drain quanta?
Yes. However draining all 0 :light of 0 :light would still count as draining.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502811#msg502811
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2012, 07:56:50 pm »
i have an idea. instead of not working on shards, it could not work on rares at all. this gets rid of most OP combos, while still leaving an interesting card.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502832#msg502832
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 08:39:21 pm »
Quote from: esran on May 23, 2012, 07:56:50 pm
i have an idea. instead of not working on shards, it could not work on rares at all. this gets rid of most OP combos, while still leaving an interesting card.
Option 1: Ban spell after spell until no broken combos remain.
Option 2: Alter the card so none of the broken combos remain broken while still permitting any spell.

Can you see why option 2 is more valuable than option 1?
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502833#msg502833
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2012, 08:41:28 pm »
Again, just increase cost and give the creature quint or something as well, can't target a quinted creature with SoR.
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502835#msg502835
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2012, 08:47:57 pm »
Quote from: Laxadarap on May 23, 2012, 08:41:28 pm
Again, just increase cost and give the creature quint or something as well, can't target a quinted creature with SoR.
Immaterial is an overused balance mechanic. There are plenty of other mechanics that could be used instead. The problem is SoR. SoR affects target creature. Instead of exploiting the overused immaterial to foil the target, why not change it to affecting permanents to foil SoR?
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Re: Spellbound|Abilify https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39637.msg502836#msg502836
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2012, 08:51:21 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on May 23, 2012, 08:47:57 pm
Quote from: Laxadarap on May 23, 2012, 08:41:28 pm
Again, just increase cost and give the creature quint or something as well, can't target a quinted creature with SoR.
Immaterial is an overused balance mechanic. There are plenty of other mechanics that could be used instead. The problem is SoR. SoR affects target creature. Instead of exploiting the overused immaterial to foil the target, why not change it to affecting permanents to foil SoR?

+1 (yes, I'm agreeing with the quote that said my post was wrong  :P)
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