Mecha Tribe | The Technomicon Campaign

[storyteller]

Tribe Mecha
A Tribal Element based on Machinery and mechanical effects. Uses Mechanical 'Tokens' or 'Bits' instead of Quanta. These are located in a pool near the Quanta chart with a number over a gear shape. This tribe is based around the idea of shaping the raw elements. They synchronize well with Time, Entropy, Gravity and Aether. It is weapon and shield and item heavy

Pillars & Pendulums
Mechanical Pillar/Tower: Produce a Machine 'Token'
Mechanical Pendulum: alternate between a Quanta of your mark and a Machine 'Token'

Shields and Weapons
Weapon: Wrench - deal 4 damage, 1 Bit: heal target Mecha Creature for 4?/6?
Weapon: Auto Driver - deal 3/5 damage, unblockable
Weapon: GearBlade - deal 5 damage, spend 1 Bit to raise attack power by +2

Shield: Mechanized Vambrace, reduce dame by 1, 1 Bit to increase defense by 1 until end of turn, can be used multiple times per turn
Shield: SteelPlate: reduce damage by 2

Permanents
Megii Nest - Other, Megii can be played using any type of Quanta.


Creatures

Megii  creatures that combine to create more powerful creatures, most cost about 1-3 quanta/bits. All Megii (Meh-Guy) have the Active Ability 0: Combine, sacrifice this creature to add its attributes and abilities to Target Megii.
Mechii basic combinatory creature 2|2
Quagii quantum generating combinator. 1|2 generate a quantum.
Agii adrenal combinatory creature, adrenaline. 1|1
Ferrii Tough combinatory creature. 2|4
Gravii Fast Combinator. Momentum. 2|2
Phasii  immaterial combinator. Immaterial. 2|2
Venii venomous Megii, 1|1 Venom.
Shadii  Vampiric 1|1
Luminii Luminescent Megii (seems redundat) 1|1
Chronii scavernger 1|1
Aquii swarming megii. 1|1 swarm, 2|1 swarm upped
Entrii Empathic type megii, 0|1
Aerii Flying Megii. 1|1 Airborne.
Pyrii strong megii, 4|2
might give time overdrive instead and move scavenger to entropy.

[OldTrees]

Machine Token pool = Machine quanta pool -> Machine Token = Machine quanta.

1) Why would elements benefit from a Machine element rather than a bunch of machine cards?
2) How can machine be an element if we can construct a machine using  or  ?
3) How can machine be an element if machine refers to a construction rather than a base material?

PS: You reinvented Angel, Titan, Lava Golem, Titanium Shield and Forest Scorpion

[storyteller]

Machine Token pool = Machine quanta pool -> Machine Token = Machine quanta.

1) Why would elements benefit from a Machine element rather than a bunch of machine cards?

Im still not sure I want to add the Mechanical Bits. Im looking at having them augment the current quanta types. I am looking more and more at a bunch of interconnected cards that share the theme of these 'multidimensional invaders'. The idea of the 'Bits' is that these bring with them a resource from outside the standard elements universe and are somewhat unique/special to these cards/creatures/kind of technology itself. Im actually thinking these might be permanents or counters on permanents that are required wjen making more complex cards, i.e. 4 Metal, 3 Quanta Capacitors/ 1 Energy Core in play and you can cast a "really huge creature with powerful abilities' you couldnt cast without. More complex creations with more powerful abilities. In this case, Mechanical 'Quanta' provides resources that aren't subject to permanent control

2) How can machine be an element if we can construct a machine using  or  ?
Again, Im leaning more towards components assembled over direct quanta type.

3) How can machine be an element if machine refers to a construction rather than a base material?
Entropy is no substance but a phenomena, as is Time or Gravity. How is Gravity a material and not a force. Some abstraction is needed here. The idea of mechanical bits refers to 'pre-processed base material for use in these specific items' like steel over iron or pasta over flour.


PS: You reinvented Angel, Titan, Lava Golem, Titanium Shield and Forest Scorpion
yeah a bit, just tinkering here. Some of these are similar to existing things, but should be a bit more complex to bring out but without requiring a Duo or Multi element deck.

So Im looking at cards like "Energy Core" that is destroyed when certain cards need it and "Stock Steel" which has like 5 counters on it, that are depleted when cards are cast that need them, bring resources from the quanta pool, into the permanent or creature section. Mechanical Bits function more like counters for poison/purify etc than direct quanta. Possibly even a Tech level type system.

[OldTrees]

Im still not sure I want to add the Mechanical Bits. Im looking at having them augment the current quanta types. I am looking more and more at a bunch of interconnected cards that share the theme of these 'multidimensional invaders'. The idea of the 'Bits' is that these bring with them a resource from outside the standard elements universe and are somewhat unique/special to these cards/creatures/kind of technology itself. Im actually thinking these might be permanents or counters on permanents that are required wjen making more complex cards, i.e. 4 Metal, 3 Quanta Capacitors/ 1 Energy Core in play and you can cast a "really huge creature with powerful abilities' you couldnt cast without. More complex creations with more powerful abilities. In this case, Mechanical 'Quanta' provides resources that aren't subject to permanent control

Entropy is no substance but a phenomena, as is Time or Gravity. How is Gravity a material and not a force. Some abstraction is needed here. The idea of mechanical bits refers to 'pre-processed base material for use in these specific items' like steel over iron or pasta over flour.

So Im looking at cards like "Energy Core" that is destroyed when certain cards need it and "Stock Steel" which has like 5 counters on it, that are depleted when cards are cast that need them, bring resources from the quanta pool, into the permanent or creature section. Mechanical Bits function more like counters for poison/purify etc than direct quanta. Possibly even a Tech level type system.

Forced combos are not a good design. It is better to have permanents that augment cards than it is to have permanents that are required before casting cards.

Entropic tendencies are the quantified unit of Entropy spells.
Force vectors are the quantified unit of Gravity spells.
Neither of these units is divisible. Machine parts are divisible and therefore are not elemental units.

I would recommend Energy core and the cards that utilize it both be designed to work together or separately.

[freemod1espilon]

Maybe it as a series could be spread out through all the elements and they can unify into creatures of the "other" element but I'm not sure that is possible is it?

[OldTrees]

Maybe it as a series could be spread out through all the elements and they can unify into creatures of the "other" element but I'm not sure that is possible is it?

It is possible. Whether it is desirable is debatable.

[storyteller]

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Forced combos are not a good design. It is better to have permanents that augment cards than it is to have permanents that are required before casting cards.

Entropic tendencies are the quantified unit of Entropy spells.
Force vectors are the quantified unit of Gravity spells.
Neither of these units is divisible. Machine parts are divisible and therefore are not elemental units.

I would recommend Energy core and the cards that utilize it both be designed to work together or separately.

and that I think is why Im looking at a new form of resource, because these cards are the sum of multiple elements working in tandem.
Im looking at 'Factory' type cards, which would take the place of Pillars and Pendulums, cards that exist only to allow other cards to be played. Pillars do nothing on their own. an Energy core, or a better example, the Megii Nest Im working out, would not do much on its own, but would provide what is needed to bring other cards into play.

Maybe it as a series could be spread out through all the elements and they can unify into creatures of the "other" element but I'm not sure that is possible is it?

This is the Megii system Im working on now, many small creatures that are Other by Nature but have variants for the elements themselves.

Maybe it as a series could be spread out through all the elements and they can unify into creatures of the "other" element but I'm not sure that is possible is it?

It is possible. Whether it is desirable is debatable.

Thats why Im doing this here, to find what is going to be working the best. The incentive here is New Material for the game, to provide New Mechanics for gameplay, and New Strategies to offer to the player base. All of which are desirable.

[OldTrees]

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Forced combos are not a good design. It is better to have permanents that augment cards than it is to have permanents that are required before casting cards.

Entropic tendencies are the quantified unit of Entropy spells.
Force vectors are the quantified unit of Gravity spells.
Neither of these units is divisible. Machine parts are divisible and therefore are not elemental units.

I would recommend Energy core and the cards that utilize it both be designed to work together or separately.

and that I think is why Im looking at a new form of resource, because these cards are the sum of multiple elements working in tandem.
Im looking at 'Factory' type cards, which would take the place of Pillars and Pendulums, cards that exist only to allow other cards to be played. Pillars do nothing on their own. an Energy core, or a better example, the Megii Nest Im working out, would not do much on its own, but would provide what is needed to bring other cards into play.

Noted. Yet I would recommend Energy core and the cards that utilize it both be designed to work together or separately.
I am talking about how to optimize the value added per card.

[storyteller]

well, the Megii Factory affects all Megii cast. You could play a Mono-Aether and Use the MF to Cast Agii, a Life Card.

The currently non-existent Energy Core, a fuel cell for powerful Elemental Machines would likely be used by 3-4 cards as a requirement. What it does on its own, idk. Perhaps it can be be used to target a permanent and activate it?

There are options here and a lot of work. I do see what you are saying about synergy. Im still not certain I want a Machine Quanta, though Im not ruling it out. I do think some cards will be very specific and others more broad.

I do appreciate the dialogue, its brought forth a few ideas already.

+1 OT

[OldTrees]

I like the idea of using Energy core and Factory as intermediate steps rather than using bits.

[storyteller]

updated the Megii list, Im moving towards that being the crux of the set.

[storyteller]

Id like to know if this is worth continuing? I am considering doing artwork (3d models) for all the Megii. Id like some help getting them in order.

Specifically their abilities, passive only and preferably existing on fitting but not redundant elements and on balance. If they are worth building, Ill do the artwork over the next few weeks.