Leech Seed | Parasite Seed [Life]

[Treldon]

As this would be my very first card idea, I would really appreciate any input you can provide

NAME: Leech Seed ELEMENT: Life COST: 3 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Drains 2 HP from all creatures on opponent's field, and transfers it to you	NAME: Parasite seed ELEMENT: Life COST: 5 TYPE: Spell TEXT: Drains 2 HP from all creatures on opponent's field for 3 turns, and transfers it to you after each turn

ART: n/a IDEA: Treldon NOTES: The role of these cards would be to provide mass CC to Life, and in the mean time keep the self healing ability of the element SERIES:

Edit: updated damage and healing values, now x4 stronger

[iDaire]

Massive drain life falls under darkness.
Just a point I had to make.

[Treldon]

Massive drain life falls under darkness.
Just a point I had to make.

I knew someone would point that out.

And in general I agree.

However, the reasons why I feel it belongs more to are that
- the true goal of the spell is healing, not damaging
- the power comes not from quanta amassed, but from creatures on the field - like Emphatic Bond
- it fits the balance and the Circle of Life, while is is plain unnatural (at least it is portrayed so in most fantasy settings)

Still, thanks for the input

[Espithel]

If this drained from you, not your opponent, you would definitely have a case there. It would still be weaker than empathic by far, though. I'll gain some for each creature I have each turn, not affecting them, with a stacking ability. Yay!

However, due to this being direct CC (mass, even) and life generally not being allowed to have that, it's most likely in the wrong element.

Deathreign himself made a water/darkness card with the same effect, but that also was in a kinda forced competition that wasn't all that good (the contest.)

If the true goal of the spell is to heal, it would heal for a lot more.
2 HP for each creature damaged this way is a good starting point, but still kind of weak compared to sanctuary and empathic bond (Why gain 46 HP when you can gain 23 HP per empathic bond per turn?)

4 HP, and it starts to gain its own merits.
Dry spell is a good parallel to this card. Other than weird quirky decks, dry spell doesn't see too much use.

Here's a question: What can you do with this card that no other card can do?

[Treldon]

So the main points
- mass CC is not for (as also stated by deathreign3)
- weak with the current values
- doesn't (yet) fit in decks

Okay, for the first one, while I guess I am on the way to understand the reason, but could you explain the philosophy why is not allowed to have direct CC?

Numbers can be easily solved, so I'll skip that for now

As for usefulness: the way you suggested, draining your own creatures, now that would be against  .
For one, the creatures are already fragile, so you would kill your own army. Plus sacrificing your own creatures sounds more / to me

...note to self: spam skellies, drain them, win...might have something here...

At the moment I cannot think of any synergies with decks, or even cards, but that can be attributed to lack of sufficient experience (and simply being tired)

[dawn to dusk]

Because Frozen hates

yes i did bring that up

[Espithel]

oETG life is fine.

Vanilla life is just stupid.

The reason life isn't allowed direct CC or PC (Which is a spell that directly tries to stop a card from being useful, by killing it, delaying it...) is because life is an element focused on healing and growth.
You can take this two ways.

The first is that it's unnatural to use direct CC or PC, because you're using unnatural forces to kill a creature. If you're going to kill a creature, it should be a natural way of dealing with it. This is more a "survival of the fittest" scenario. It should be noted that life in oETG has indirect CC and PC (rejuvenation, replacing abilities), a weird buff/CC known as Equalizer (Turns the target's HP into its ATK.), as well as direct CC in the form of a creature known as druid. (Owl's eye on a creature.)

The second way, and this is the way I take it, is that life should be untamed, and trimming down someone's forces is hypocritical. You want life to grow and be untamed, so why destroy other life? It doesn't matter what kind of life it is, it's still life. This school of thought means you're not allowed to care about the opponent directly. It's a lot more rigid, but otherwise gives life an identity that, really, it doesn't have. Currently, it's just... A bag of small creatures. Again, in oETG, they fix that. This school of thought in oETG is told by cards like cell (CREATURES, CREATURES EVERYWHERE), Alpha Wolf (DAMAGE, DAMAGE EVERYWHERE) and Fungus(CREATURES AND DAMAGE AND DEATH EVERYWHERE)

Postscript: The reason your images aren't working is because you didn't use the direct links for them.
http://imgur.com/bl9CCLt
http://i.imgur.com/bl9CCLt.png <- Direct link

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[Treldon]

I can see why direct CC would seem unnatural, from a point. But that is why I named it leech/parasite seed, to point out that this is not some magical effect - though I admit the way HP gets transferred has to be worked on a bit

And yes, life should be untamed - but destroying other life is in no way hypocritical. Last time I checked all animals (not to mention viruses and bacteria) do is go around looking for other lifeforms to eat, so they can prosper. That is the survival of the fittest

Also, thanks for pointing out the problem with the pics. I have fixed it, and also changed the values


Finally, if I follow your logic correctly, life hurting other life would only be acceptable if it was in order to create more life. So if instead of transferring the health to the caster, for each 2 HP drained the seeds would spawn a new creature (pretty much like boneyard-skeleton), that would be okay?

[dawn to dusk]

@frozen so what, thorn carapace should be in death because it can kill despite the thematic effect?

also, please dont discuss different metas, it confuses a lot of people

[Chapuz]

Draining is part of the personality of   , as some people said. It's different from Druidic Staff if you think about it. There is a very similar card of darkness with somw succeaa in CIA.
It's also definitely OP compared with Thunderstorm. I don't think that direct damage is the right CC for  , sorry.

[iDaire]

@frozen so what, thorn carapace should be in death because it can kill despite the thematic effect?

also, please dont discuss different metas, it confuses a lot of people

Yes.
Life shouldn't poison.

[Treldon]

Okay, okay, you have almost completely convinced me  Not for in this form

Now, if I have ideas on how to implement it with different effects (spawning creatures based un the number of creatures on the field or similar) or with , I should open a new thread, and not rewrite this one, right?