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Dark Intentions series - Cards 2-4 Balancing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg370829#msg370829
« on: July 24, 2011, 05:54:35 pm »
I am not starting a new page for two reasons.  All of the cards that I come up with raw ideas for are going to be part of a set, and I want to keep all of my ideas in a single thread so I don't lose my own card.
The series is going to be all Darkness cards, and the name of the series will be Dark Intentions.  The cards will have a somewhat evil, malicious theme, and each have an interesting (I hope) new (I hope) mechanic.
The problem is that I am terrible at balancing, and I know that there are tons of balancing geniuses here that can help me tweak my ideas to perfection.

Hatred | Loathing -- Notes are in the Smithy page right now.
Purpose - Creature control, somewhat obvious.

Demonic Covenant | Demonic Pact
Prevents decking out and gives you a minor quanta boost, but in exchange for your health.
This is the idea that I need to work on still before I can begin to make my series.  I made a card to start from out of the idea beforehand, simply because I can't stand starting from scratch and I found a picture already.

Betrayal | Duplicity
Potentially high damage creature.

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This card deals damage equal to the total of all enemy creatures' damage, divided by either 4 or 3.  If that value is less than 2 (3 for Duplicity), then it deals 2 or 3 damage, respectively, instead.
Enemy creatures' damage is simply the total of the damage shown in the creature's statistics.  If you have a (normal stats) Betrayal, and your enemy has a 12|12 Golden Dragon and a 4|6 Cockatrice for a total of 16 enemy creature attack power, Betrayal's attack power is 4, regardless of any shields or effects.  Adrenaline is not taken into account for calculating Betrayal's damage.  Creatures with Antimatter lower the total damage, but Betrayal will not have a negative attack if the total enemy creature damage is negaitve; it will have 2 attack.
If Betrayal gets a buff to attack, the X is replaced with X+(attack buff value), and it deals one-fourth of the enemy creature damage plus the amount that it was buffed for.
If Antimatter is used on Betrayal, it has no effect if Betrayal's damage is X.  However, it will affect any buffs used on Betrayal.  For instance, using Antimatter on a X+3|13 Betrayal will cause it's attack to change to X-3|13, and it will deal its regular damage minus three.

This card also needs to be balanced -- the problem I am having is that it is either extremely powerful or nearly nonexistent, depending on the situation.  My first attempt was extremely underpowered, in my opinion (I had Betrayal dealing enemy damage divided by five, minimum of one attack, and Duplicity dealing enemy attack divided by four, minimum of three attack.)

Glare : Halve the target creature's attack (rounded down) and double its skill cost.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg370833#msg370833
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 06:05:04 pm »
Is this really a Light card? ???
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg370834#msg370834
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 06:08:38 pm »
Is this really a Light card? ???
I started a poll for you, and, I said that the reason that it is Light is simple.  Light doesn't have much creature control, and the picture works.  It isn't even close to set in stone, I am completely open to suggestions.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg370939#msg370939
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 12:16:25 am »
Keep the element as light, but change the theme (name, ability tag, and art) from hatred and violence to rivalry and standing for good.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371370#msg371370
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 08:29:38 pm »
Keep the element as light, but change the theme (name, ability tag, and art) from hatred and violence to rivalry and standing for good.
So the unupgraded version should be named violence, and the upgraded version should be named rivalry, or unupgraded should be named rivalry and the upgraded is 'standing for good'?
Also, please don't give vague suggestions like "change the art" and "change the ability tag".  The ability tag isn't going to change if the skill itself doesn't change, the wording is fine.  If you are going to suggest something, do it coherently and competently please :) tank joo
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371372#msg371372
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 08:36:04 pm »
I think if you wish to keep it themantically with :light you need to make it... less violent!
else you may wish to consider another element more appropriate :D

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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371375#msg371375
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 08:41:14 pm »
Coherently and competently? Are you telling me you don't understand what 'art' and 'ability tag' mean?

I am not telling you to change the wording, I am telling you to change the theme of the card. Right now this theme of this card fits darkness and death more than light. This makes zero sense as a light card the way it is now, because it has terms such as 'Hatred', 'Loathing', and 'Ferocity'.

Theme is a major part of a card, and the theme on this one does not fit.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371380#msg371380
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 08:51:47 pm »
Coherently and competently? Are you telling me you don't understand what 'art' and 'ability tag' mean?

I am not telling you to change the wording, I am telling you to change the theme of the card. Right now this theme of this card fits darkness and death more than light. This makes zero sense as a light card the way it is now, because it has terms such as 'Hatred', 'Loathing', and 'Ferocity'.

Theme is a major part of a card, and the theme on this one does not fit.
I never said you didn't understand them, but you told me to change them without giving any idea of what you wanted them changed to.
I would rather change the element than change the theme, too, I like the ability.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371381#msg371381
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 08:55:27 pm »
I like the ability too, and I'm not suggesting you change that - I'm suggesting you change the name of the card, name of the ability, and style of art to match if you want to keep it a light card. If you don't want to do any of those, then you could change the element instead.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371551#msg371551
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 03:15:19 am »
I want to change the element, but I am going to wait until tomorrow to close the poll.  I might pick Darkness or Death (the picture will probably be the same either way); I'm going to start on either editing the picture or finding a new one.
Emote explanation (because I love the emotes)
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg371588#msg371588
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 04:46:31 am »
Ok, I'm about to start changing the picture (the old picture looks terrible as any element other than Light), changing the element to Darkness (jumping ahead, but I'm not going to delete the old card pictures just yet), and slightly adjusting the skill's wording from "enemy" to "creature" across from it if there is one.

EDIT -- New picture uploaded, explanation changed accordingly, added some more scenarios.
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Re: Hatred | Loathing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29052.msg373670#msg373670
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2011, 04:46:33 pm »
Ok, I'm moving this to the Smithy now :) here I go!
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